- Sep 30, 2007--- In Asatru-U@yahoogroups.com, Ratatask Thora <ratatask@...> wrote:
>Asatru, though I doubt it will be done any time soon. It's a very
> Hi Ella ( and everybody else!)
> I'm actually working on a paper on Loki & how he's perceived in
long and involved topic, so there's no way I can say everything
here. But I'll do my best to summarize.
>troublemaker, a god of chaos and the (rather abrupt, but often
> Basically, there are 3 schools of thought on Loki. He's either a
positive) change that comes out of chaos, or an enemy of our gods.
All of these aspects are apparent in the lore, but a lot of it comes
down to: do you accept Loki as the god of the early Eddas, where he
is a traveling companion and friend of the gods, or do you view him
as the later Loki, who kills Odin's son and is at the head of the
battle against the gods? If you view him as the latter, then
invoking him during a ritual to the gods (or maybe even invoking him
at all) really doesn't make much sense. Look at it this way: would
you invite someone to dinner with your family if they had betrayed
your family, killed a member of your family, and wished the
destruction of them all? It's just really not a good idea!
>this later aspect of Loki. Some actually believe that these are two
> However, many view Loki as the Loki in the early Eddas and ignore
distinctly different characters who Snorri Sturlson either mistook to
be the same character in the early tales, or chose to make the same
to add drama to his tales. I tend to think that the latter Loki is
more likely Utgard-Loki who is spoken of in the Eddas. Asatruars who
only view him as that character, see him either as a trouble-maker or
a god of chaos. I tend to dispute the god of chaos because he
actually seems malicious in a number of the tales he is in. I
believe gods of chaos are usually more likely to cause trouble for
less malicious reasons, but I haven't studied chaos gods in depth, so
I could be wrong. If you view him as a god of chaos, well then as
with many Pagan religions today, some people decide to embrace chaos
and worship him, and some chose to stay far away from chaos and keep
him out of their devotions.
>found outside of the prose edda in places like archeological evidence
> It is my understanding that the character of Loki in some form is
(carvings or paintings or such), but that there is no evidence of him
ever being worshipped by our ancestors.
>anthropological standpoint. Please share!
> I'm very interested to hear your views on Loki from an
>trickster a trouble maker and he also wants more like all power is an
> Su "Ratatask" Þóra
> Gythja of Eplagarðr Kindred (www.eplagarthrkindred.org)
> MD/VA/WV Steward, The Troth (www.thetroth.org)
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>The way I see it as is Loki is one of the Gods and he is seen as a
issue for a genius mind there isnt enough to entertain anyone with
such a creative mind who is chaos in itself he wanted more
recognition and I hail him 4th 1 ODIN 2 THOR 3 FREJA 4 LOKI HAIL ODIN
FOR WISDOM THOR FOR STRENGTH FREJA FOR LOVE AND BEAUTY AND LOKI FOR
KEEPING ME ON MY TOES. Loki was created by the gods like all of us
and I see him as a wise but greedy God and yes he betrayed but when
you have gods that are warriors life is battle to them and battle is
what Loki did, He still is respected We respect Odin and he would
sometimes give victory to the unexpected so maybe we should sometimes
look at the opposite and give victory.
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