1757Re: [Asatru-U] Re: Teaching gods
- Jun 3, 2002From: "Lorrie Wood" <lwood@...>
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 08:16:52PM -0500, Karl Donaldsson wrote:tricking
> > Certainly at some point in any mind-altering experience (specifically, I
> > recommend hallucinogens), one asks the question -- am I chemically
> > my brain into seeing things which are not there; or am I finally seeingby
> > things as they are for the first time? A similar question will be asked
> > any adherent to a religion, where they are interested in investing timeand
> > effort for some sort of reward (whether spiritual or otherwise) fromsaid
> > effort.Well, some realists seem to believe there is a difference between fooling
> And the corollary questions: Is there a useful difference, and if
> it works, does it matter?
oneself and actually perceiving something which others cannot. There is
only a difference, I think, if one chooses to recognize one, and that
difference may be important to a given individual. We may run into this
with the Intermediate Course, by some folks feeling they're not making such
a spiritual connection, because they can't believe it can be made. Then the
question of "is it possible" becomes more consuming than " can I do it."
For example, a man of my proportions is ill-suited to climb a free-hanging
rope. I still say it's not impossible, because as I become the Happy
Not-Nearly-So-Fat-As-I-Was-Before Guy, the task becomes more approachable.
Some fellows of my dimensions might consider the task impossible, without
even considering that, with the right training, the task is not only
possible, but likely to achieve. I don't how to make people realize the
step from possibility to likelihood, but I feel that the Intermediate course
should have, for each individual, that specific goal rolling around in the
back of one's mind.
It only matters how it works, again, to the individual. If one can only
contact the deities or wights or what-have-you via some hallucinogenic
delirium, they might then, (logically!) conclude that it's the stuff making
the connection, not them, without ever realizing that the substance in
question is actually just attenuating something they choose to perceive in
the first place. I think meditations, chants, trances, hypnosis, and so
forth seem to be more useful in this regard, since one might feel that they
are more in control of the situation than might otherwise be experienced via
chemical stimuli. Such meditations remove the possibility that some
external force is at work on their senses, when, in fact, the same chemical
changes in the body and brain are, in many cases, identical. I choose such
an example as myself since I have never had any success using meditations or
hypnosis (perhaps a lack of training, and skill are my culprit), and I had
some contact with certain substances before getting into heathenry. Now I
find my spiritual contacts are established, and that I have no need for any
substance to achieve what might be considered supernatural awareness to
certain things. Kind of like taking the training wheels off the bike. I
believe others find equal success from meditation, chanting, trances, and
hypnosis (or even other mental conditioning) without the need to resort to
using chemical substances. The good news seems to be that there is some
level of documentation in the lore which seems to support both takes on
opening doors of perception.
So, in summary, it only matters if the individual makes it matter. We throw
up more walls and obstacles for ourselves than any one, or every one, could
possibly put before us.
As a society, we are generally trained to conform, as we are easier to
control. When one realizes that he has no master other than himself, and he
has no obstacles other than the one he places for himself, then the
connections may be made that are out of the realm of consideration. It took
some time to convince people that we revolved about the sun, and that the
Earth was not flat, mostly by people who had to open themselves up to the
idea that what they thought they knew to be true could, in fact, be
completely bollocks. I believe this is the hurdle which we of non-heathen
upbringing face, a hurdle which, hopefully, is decimated by successful
completion of the Beginner's course.
Sorry for the long post.
'/\` Frith upon your house
//\\ Karl Donaldsson
Member of the Kindred of Ravenswood
Zionsville, Indiana USA
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