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  • vagabondindia
    Hello, Sri Sri Thakur ji has praised Anulom Asavarna marriages. I have seen many Satsangees getting in such wedlocks. Like a Vipra marrying a girl of lower
    Message 1 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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      Hello,

      Sri Sri Thakur ji has praised Anulom Asavarna marriages. I have seen
      many Satsangees getting in such wedlocks.
      Like a Vipra marrying a girl of lower Varna.

      But hasn't Sri Sri Thakurji made it very clear that the 1st marriage
      has to be Savarna ?

      vagabondindia
    • T K Jena
      Yes, you are absolutely right. 1. The basic principle is that son can marry from same varna of mother or lower and daughter will marry from the same Varna
      Message 2 of 11 , Nov 4, 2004
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        Yes, you are absolutely right.

        1. The basic principle is that son can marry from same varna of
        mother or lower and daughter will marry from the same Varna of father
        or higher. So, first, the genetic line has to be preserved (Savarna
        marriage).
        2. In the present social situation, Varna of a good number of
        people is not known. Research is required to frame objective
        parameters and have social acceptance to the identity of their Varna
        and it has to be established. Otherwise, we may actually indulge
        into pratiloma unknowingly.

        I will give an example. In orissa, people believe that 'Karana' is next
        to Vipra and can accept girls from Kshatriya. Thakur tells, 'Karana' is
        the product of Kshatriya father and Vaishya mother. It means, 'Karana'
        rank is lower than the pure line of Kshatriya and if a 'Karana' boy
        marries a kshatriya girl, it is pratiloma. But how many people accept
        it today?

        So, I personally feel, asavarna marriage should be done only where the
        Varna lines are without any controversy. But it should always be done
        in the 2nd marriage only.

        Dr. Jena

        -----Original Message-----
        From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
        Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 4:38 PM
        To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [latestprophet] 1st marriage as Anulom Asavarna ??



        Hello,

        Sri Sri Thakur ji has praised Anulom Asavarna marriages. I have seen
        many Satsangees getting in such wedlocks.
        Like a Vipra marrying a girl of lower Varna.

        But hasn't Sri Sri Thakurji made it very clear that the 1st marriage
        has to be Savarna ?

        vagabondindia







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      • devashish.sarkar@tvsmotor.co.in
        Jayguru to all I feel very uncomfortable asking you all a basic question Our family , we all have taken diksha so ours is verily a satsang family We will
        Message 3 of 11 , Nov 17, 2004
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          Jayguru to all

          I feel very uncomfortable asking you all a basic question

          Our family , we all have taken "diksha" so ours is verily a satsang family
          We will regularly have satsangs
          In one or two of such occasions some "Ritwiks" had seen our puja ghar

          Apart from Images of Thakur , Bada Da, we have Idols and Images of other
          Gods and Goddessess eg: Lord Krishna...
          So some "Ritwiks" disliked it and instructed us to keep only Thakur in Puja
          ghar

          I am still confused why it is like this
          Guru has one position ,God has another ..verily both are one and same
          But to satiate our dualistic mindsets we go like this only

          Learned members of group please suggest and comment something
          Regards
          His humble servant
          Devashish

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        • Manoj Patra
          Dear Devashish bhai, I express my humble opinion on the subject and hope that it clears your doubt (though by no means I claim competence on the subject). Sri
          Message 4 of 11 , Nov 18, 2004
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            Dear Devashish bhai,

            I express my humble opinion on the subject and hope that it clears your
            doubt (though by no means I claim competence on the subject). Sri Sri
            Thakur tells that "the present prophet consummates all the past
            prophets". This statement is quite profound. This means that a true
            follower will see the oneness in all prophets and therefore would be
            regardful to all prophets (including all past prophets). Expressing
            disregard to any previous purushottam is actually showing disregard to
            the current purushottam.

            At the same time I believe, the statement also implies that since the
            latest prophet consummates all the past prophets and as a follower if I
            try to fulfill him and him alone, I actually fulfill all the previous
            prophets. Similarly if I try sincerely to establish Sri Sri Thakur as
            the central ideal in my life, I establish all the past prophets
            automatically. Therefore doing regularly jajan, jaajan and istavrity as
            per the oath taken on the day of initiation is the key saadhna. Apart
            from this I strive to follow Sri Sri Thakur's teachings on all aspects
            of life. I listen/read others if it helps me understand Thakur better.

            Having said this I never ask anybody to remove any idol from the Puja
            room. Many people are emotionally attached and any comment may do more
            harm than good. However if somebody has only Sri Sri Thakur's and other
            "vighrahas" and their parents' photos who are no more, I really commend
            them ;-)

            Warm Regards and Jayaguru,
            Manoj

            One powerful source of light like the Sun is sufficient to dispel all
            darkness.



            --- devashish.sarkar@... wrote:
            >
            >
            > Jayguru to all
            >
            > I feel very uncomfortable asking you all a basic question
            >
            > Our family , we all have taken "diksha" so ours is verily a satsang
            > family
            > We will regularly have satsangs
            > In one or two of such occasions some "Ritwiks" had seen our puja ghar
            >
            > Apart from Images of Thakur , Bada Da, we have Idols and Images of
            > other
            > Gods and Goddessess eg: Lord Krishna...
            > So some "Ritwiks" disliked it and instructed us to keep only Thakur
            > in Puja
            > ghar
            >
            > I am still confused why it is like this
            > Guru has one position ,God has another ..verily both are one and same
            > But to satiate our dualistic mindsets we go like this only
            >
            > Learned members of group please suggest and comment something
            > Regards
            > His humble servant
            > Devashish


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          • prasanta panda
            Jayaguru To indroduce myself ,I am Prashant Panda.I have least Idea about Philosophical things.I also know very little about Thakur.But what I conceive is
            Message 5 of 11 , Nov 18, 2004
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              Jayaguru
              To indroduce myself ,I am Prashant Panda.I have least Idea about Philosophical things.I also know very little about Thakur.But what I conceive is right.
              Before coming to put some idea let me say something first
              What is Dharma?
              What I know, to live comfortable is dharma.If a person hampers this, is not a religious person.I also do beleive ,I can live sometime without air but not  without Dharma.Dharma is so important to us.
               
              To know Dharma and to understand Dharma one guide is required(who is the God in human form ).If I really want to worship to the god in human form,I should materialise his words and sayings in me and in my beheavior,sayings,works so that people can understand to him(the god in human form) through me.This is called the real worship and not to worship his photos.
              If I worship only photos and do nt obey his sayings ,I do nt worship to him also.Worship does not mean to sit infront of the photos.
               
              Prashant


              devashish.sarkar@... wrote:




              Jayguru to all

              I feel very uncomfortable asking you all a basic question

              Our family , we all have taken "diksha" so ours is verily a satsang family
              We will regularly have satsangs
              In one or two of such occasions some "Ritwiks" had seen our puja ghar

              Apart from Images of Thakur , Bada Da, we have Idols and Images of other
              Gods and Goddessess eg: Lord Krishna...
              So some "Ritwiks" disliked it and instructed us to keep only Thakur in Puja
              ghar

              I am still confused why it is like this
              Guru has one position ,God has another ..verily both are one and same
              But to satiate our dualistic mindsets we go like this only

              Learned members of group please suggest and comment something
              Regards
              His humble servant
              Devashish

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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              TVS Motor Company Ltd, Harita, Hosur, Tamilnadu-635109
              Tel:  +91 4344 276780-84-----Extn. 3503
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            • devashish.sarkar@tvsmotor.co.in
              RS Jayguru First of all I thank Respected Gurubhais ..Cool Boy, Monoj Patra, Bharat Sahu and Prashant Panda for first hand response to my query Dear cool boy
              Message 6 of 11 , Nov 18, 2004
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                RS
                Jayguru

                First of all I thank Respected Gurubhais ..Cool Boy, Monoj Patra, Bharat
                Sahu and Prashant Panda for first hand response to my query
                Dear cool boy
                It is our duty to believe in puranas and BG because of their direct link to
                sanatan dharma
                Personally I believe in supreme personality of Godhead ..so we have kept
                Lord Krishna with us...he is Lord
                Without His form we cannot visualise Him...We cannot deny the statement
                written in the BG that


                "Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those
                who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who
                worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live
                with Me"

                That is where my doubt arises.... I cannot think of my Puja without Him

                Respected Manoj Bhai
                I fully agree with you
                and every evening while sitting for "sandhya bandana" we start satyanusaran
                by reading(and realising) this only

                "the present prophet consummates all the past prophets"
                but conflict is not between prophets because verily prophets are all
                "GURUS" ... incarnation taken by GOD to guide us ..to show PATH in
                agreement with everchanging world
                Thing is that I cannot imagine (most of us Indians I believe) GURU as
                Supreme Lord or even God /Goddesses
                For me In my heart I have two "asana" for Guru and God
                This double is playing with me instead of me daily repeating
                "Guru Brahmah Guru Vishnuh Gurudevo Maheshvaroh
                Guru Sakshat Parabrahmo tasmai shree Guruveh Namoh"
                This statement is very good for establishing complete faith in teachings of
                Guru but otherwise not helpful

                Dear Bharat Sahu Bhai
                Your mail partly represent my thought
                Actually I want thakurji to be my guide
                I want Him to guide me through this treacherous world
                For this His books , sayings , satyanusaran, nari neeti , nan prasange etc
                etc are there
                And what ever I do I want to devote ("samarpan") it to my LORD KRISHNA
                Krishnas Karma Yoga ...Do right things and do devote it to me
                For first half I need Guru for second I need Krishna
                It is very difficult for me visualise Krishna in Thakurji

                Dear Prashant Panda Bhai
                I think you believe that I practice Idolatry
                That is not the case ..if that is case doubt will regarding "Form of God"
                and "God"
                My doubt is that whether anyone can leave other God and goddesses (either
                Idol form or nirgun whatever we take) and worship only Guru


                OK this were only answers to your answers
                To clarify my point I will give example

                You all might be knowing of "sankara maths" and "shakara philosophy"
                Then are mainly vedantits and follow shankaracharya and others in the
                lineage like the controversial "Jyendra Saraswati" of Kanchi arrested few
                days back
                their "math" mainly worship Lord Shiva but follow Sankaracharya's teaching
                Learned members there follow Shankaracharya because they believe He is
                Incarnation is(verily He Himself is) Lord Shiva
                Whereas they allow Vaishnavas also to join their "Math"
                In fact they give initiation mantra also related to their "Ista" say Lord
                Rama, Lord Krshna etc
                They say that you continue worshipping Your LORD ,,,no harm
                BUT follow teachings of Shankaracharya in your life

                As an example one of my colleague worships Lord Ram , do Ram mantra Japas
                whereas worships Shankaracharya also (In MIND as well as in PUJA GHAR)

                I think It is lengthy mail but I believe It will help many to resolve some
                basic doubt
                PLease enlighten or comment (May be some esteemed members like Patra Ji, Dr
                Jena, or any Gurubhai)
                Hearty Jayguru
                Devashish
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                TVS Motor Company Ltd, Harita, Hosur, Tamilnadu-635109
                Tel: +91 4344 276780-84-----Extn. 3503
                Fax: +91 4344 276649
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              • Audrey Hauserman
                Devashish, Is this a quote of Thakur s? Audrey Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will
                Message 7 of 11 , Nov 18, 2004
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                  Devashish,
                   
                  Is this a quote of Thakur's?
                   
                  Audrey

                  "Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those
                  who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who
                  worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live
                  with Me"

                • T K Jena
                  Dear Devasish Bhai, There is nothing to feel uncomfortable to ask this question. Rather, I will consider it as a very fundamental question for every one; not
                  Message 8 of 11 , Nov 18, 2004
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                    Dear Devasish Bhai,

                    There is nothing to feel uncomfortable to ask this question. Rather, I
                    will consider it as a very fundamental question for every one; not only
                    initiated with Thakur's guidelines, but all religions or any guru for
                    that sake.

                    Thakur tells, like a wife can not have two husbands; two husbands means
                    unchaste and deviation; similarly, there can not be two Ista in one's
                    life. Prophet is the only person to be accepted as Ista.

                    Latest prophet fulfills all past prophets. If I worship Thakur, I am
                    also worshipping all Gods and all past prophets. If I am actually
                    disregarding any Past Seer or prophets, then I am in reality not
                    worshiping the present prophet either. I am only worshiping my own
                    complexes! That is why in the original prayer, Panchbarhi and Saptarchee
                    were there to remind all the devotees about the royal road of an Arya.
                    But unfortunately, a shortcut prayer is followed by most of the people
                    and they might not be aware of these guidelines.

                    What is this worship of Gods? Thakur tells it is hero worship. Like now
                    a days people display photo of film stars, sports persons etc. and try
                    to model them in those lines. Is it not hero worship? Worship of their
                    life model. They might be actually doing a wrong thing in selecting the
                    model. That is besides the issue. But the act is like that of hero
                    worship. If one does not practice any act that had led their hero to
                    achieve the qualities, but just display the photographs, then he can not
                    achieve anything in his life where as a sincere follower may at least
                    achieve something and with proper guidance may achieve his goal! That is
                    what is the story of Akalavya and Dronacharya.

                    Indeed, as per our shastra, idol worship is meant for adhamaadhama (the
                    third category who are not able to come out of worldly attachments).
                    Through idol worship, one is expected to practice the qualities of these
                    heroes (idol) so as to achieve those qualities in their life. Has not
                    the festivals, the Vrata and worship maintained the fine cultural fabric
                    of society even today? Thakur tells Charana puja means Chalana Puja.

                    Thakur was asked by a devotee, "I was worshipping Lord Krishna. Now whom
                    should I meditate?" Thakur tells, "you meditate Lord Krishna but do not
                    drive away if your Ista's picture comes there during meditation." In
                    other instances, Thakur has told that you do worship and complete all
                    rituals that you used to do before initiation and then at the end, do
                    that of your Ista. Because, Ista, the latest prophet fulfills all.

                    In this light, it is wrong to put any photograph what so ever with that
                    of one's Ista. Because, Ista can not be replaced by any one. If one
                    wants to place other photo and Idol, fine. Keep them separately. But
                    Ista's place has to be with the spirit of chastity of husband and wife.
                    Ray hauserman used to tell, "I love Thakur just like my husband." Hence,
                    it is actually wrong to put even photo of Thakur's son and family
                    members with Thakur during worship. They all can be kept separately and
                    worshipped in the above principle.

                    Please keep another thing in mind. One day a mother approached Thakur
                    with her sick son praying for his life. Thakur arranged for all medical
                    help. After that, the mother asked if she should also go and worship
                    Lord Baidyanath for his child's life. Thakur told yes, you worship there
                    and then go home. The mother left the place being satisfied. Then a
                    devotee asked "Thakur, your prescription will cure the child. Then why
                    did you tell her to worship Lord Baidyanath also?" Thakur replied, she
                    will not be free from mental agony and will not be able to implement all
                    guidelines if I deny her to visit Baidyanath temple.

                    It only highlights that not only our aim should be to achieve goal in a
                    scientific and rational way but we should also take care not to harm any
                    one's sentiment. The action must come from within. Love will sublimate
                    into action and then only that will lead our soul in upward movement.
                    Had Thakur ever told Hem Kabi to leave Alcohol? Rather he was arranging
                    for it till he himself left alcohol with realization through love. What
                    a weapon has Thakur given us i.e. LOVE.

                    So, it is your love to Lord, the sublimation of Love into action that
                    will decide and guide you what you should do. Do not do anything because
                    some one told it. Be sincerely attached with your Ista. Read His
                    original literature. Put His commands into action and your sincere love
                    will guide you for further action.

                    Jai Guru.
                    Dr. Jena

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: devashish.sarkar@...
                    [mailto:devashish.sarkar@...]
                    Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 PM
                    To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                    Cc: satsangbgl@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Jayguru... A basic doubt






                    RS
                    Jayguru

                    First of all I thank Respected Gurubhais ..Cool Boy, Monoj Patra, Bharat
                    Sahu and Prashant Panda for first hand response to my query
                    Dear cool boy
                    It is our duty to believe in puranas and BG because of their direct link
                    to
                    sanatan dharma
                    Personally I believe in supreme personality of Godhead ..so we have kept
                    Lord Krishna with us...he is Lord
                    Without His form we cannot visualise Him...We cannot deny the statement
                    written in the BG that


                    "Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods;
                    those
                    who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those
                    who
                    worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will
                    live
                    with Me"

                    That is where my doubt arises.... I cannot think of my Puja without Him

                    Respected Manoj Bhai
                    I fully agree with you
                    and every evening while sitting for "sandhya bandana" we start
                    satyanusaran
                    by reading(and realising) this only

                    "the present prophet consummates all the past prophets"
                    but conflict is not between prophets because verily prophets are all
                    "GURUS" ... incarnation taken by GOD to guide us ..to show PATH in
                    agreement with everchanging world
                    Thing is that I cannot imagine (most of us Indians I believe) GURU as
                    Supreme Lord or even God /Goddesses
                    For me In my heart I have two "asana" for Guru and God
                    This double is playing with me instead of me daily repeating
                    "Guru Brahmah Guru Vishnuh Gurudevo Maheshvaroh
                    Guru Sakshat Parabrahmo tasmai shree Guruveh Namoh"
                    This statement is very good for establishing complete faith in teachings
                    of
                    Guru but otherwise not helpful

                    Dear Bharat Sahu Bhai
                    Your mail partly represent my thought
                    Actually I want thakurji to be my guide
                    I want Him to guide me through this treacherous world
                    For this His books , sayings , satyanusaran, nari neeti , nan prasange
                    etc
                    etc are there
                    And what ever I do I want to devote ("samarpan") it to my LORD KRISHNA
                    Krishnas Karma Yoga ...Do right things and do devote it to me
                    For first half I need Guru for second I need Krishna
                    It is very difficult for me visualise Krishna in Thakurji

                    Dear Prashant Panda Bhai
                    I think you believe that I practice Idolatry
                    That is not the case ..if that is case doubt will regarding "Form of
                    God"
                    and "God"
                    My doubt is that whether anyone can leave other God and goddesses
                    (either
                    Idol form or nirgun whatever we take) and worship only Guru


                    OK this were only answers to your answers
                    To clarify my point I will give example

                    You all might be knowing of "sankara maths" and "shakara philosophy"
                    Then are mainly vedantits and follow shankaracharya and others in the
                    lineage like the controversial "Jyendra Saraswati" of Kanchi arrested
                    few
                    days back
                    their "math" mainly worship Lord Shiva but follow Sankaracharya's
                    teaching
                    Learned members there follow Shankaracharya because they believe He is
                    Incarnation is(verily He Himself is) Lord Shiva
                    Whereas they allow Vaishnavas also to join their "Math"
                    In fact they give initiation mantra also related to their "Ista" say
                    Lord
                    Rama, Lord Krshna etc
                    They say that you continue worshipping Your LORD ,,,no harm
                    BUT follow teachings of Shankaracharya in your life

                    As an example one of my colleague worships Lord Ram , do Ram mantra
                    Japas
                    whereas worships Shankaracharya also (In MIND as well as in PUJA GHAR)

                    I think It is lengthy mail but I believe It will help many to resolve
                    some
                    basic doubt
                    PLease enlighten or comment (May be some esteemed members like Patra Ji,
                    Dr
                    Jena, or any Gurubhai)
                    Hearty Jayguru
                    Devashish
                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    --------

                    Devashish Sarkar, Member R&D,
                    TVS Motor Company Ltd, Harita, Hosur, Tamilnadu-635109
                    Tel: +91 4344 276780-84-----Extn. 3503
                    Fax: +91 4344 276649
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                  • devashish.sarkar@tvsmotor.co.in
                    Jayguru I really feel that this satsang over net is on par with any other ..it is in fact better for me I am thankful to all my gurubhais (verily my own
                    Message 9 of 11 , Nov 20, 2004
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                      Jayguru
                      I really feel that this "satsang" over net is on par with any other ..it is
                      in fact better for me
                      I am thankful to all my gurubhais (verily my own brothers) and especially
                      Dr. jena for clearing a lot of doubts
                      Really love for Ista can make wonders..it will automatically clean all dirt
                      and clear all problems
                      this duality of mind also will be removed and faith in Him established
                      This concept only made "ratnakar" to change into "valmiki" who could even
                      pronunciate His name
                      Respected Jena Bhai I got my answer..thanks for the same
                      Regards and Jayguru
                      His servant ( now transforming to lover)
                      devashish

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                    • vagabondindia
                      Dear Debashish Bhai, Even if dualities or multiplicities are there, no problem. Our Love to Sri Sri Thankurji will make all them into one singularity. As HE
                      Message 10 of 11 , Nov 20, 2004
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                        Dear Debashish Bhai,

                        Even if dualities or multiplicities are there, no problem. Our Love
                        to Sri Sri Thankurji will make all them into one singularity. As HE
                        has taught us- " With all my faults, I love Thee !"

                        In one of ur earlier mails u had mentioned about separate asanas for
                        God & Guru. God is abstract. Guru is the living manifestation of all
                        attributes which define God. The infinite in finite ! As human beings
                        r infinite they cannot comprehend infinite. They need finite to
                        visualise & comprehend. Thats why the Prophets come. Therefore,
                        without Guru, worship of God has no meaning. Sri Sri Thakurji often
                        used to quote G.B. Shaw..."Beware of those men whose God is in skies."

                        There is another interesting dimension. In the beginning, one may
                        keep all photographs of gods & goddesses with Sri Sri Thakurji. Then,
                        with active love, he will realize that all of them, in fact, are
                        various forces who r manifestations (in creation)of Sri Sri Thakurji.
                        Then, he will start seeing Thakurji in everything else !! From
                        Manyness to Oneness !! "Jaha jaha netr pare, taha taha Krishna
                        dikhe !" ( whatever eyes glance upon seems to be Krishna !)

                        Jai Guru
                        vagabondindia


                        --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, devashish.sarkar@t... wrote:
                        > Jayguru
                        > I really feel that this "satsang" over net is on par with any
                        other ..it is
                        > in fact better for me
                        > I am thankful to all my gurubhais (verily my own brothers) and
                        especially
                        > Dr. jena for clearing a lot of doubts
                        > Really love for Ista can make wonders..it will automatically clean
                        all dirt
                        > and clear all problems
                        > this duality of mind also will be removed and faith in Him
                        established
                        > This concept only made "ratnakar" to change into "valmiki" who
                        could even
                        > pronunciate His name
                        > Respected Jena Bhai I got my answer..thanks for the same
                        > Regards and Jayguru
                        > His servant ( now transforming to lover)
                        > devashish
                        >
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                        > Devashish Sarkar, Member R&D,
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                        > this kind. Thank you
                      • vagabondindia
                        Dear Prashant Bhai, Jai Guru Sri sri thakurji has said that -that which upholds our life & growth is Dharma. Dharma comes from root (dhatu) dhri of sanskrit
                        Message 11 of 11 , Nov 20, 2004
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                          Dear Prashant Bhai,

                          Jai Guru

                          Sri sri thakurji has said that -that which upholds our life & growth
                          is Dharma. Dharma comes from root (dhatu) 'dhri' of sanskrit which -
                          wo jo dharan karta he. Everyone wants to live & grow. The principles
                          & things which make one live & grow (with environment/parivesh)are
                          DHARMA.

                          Not just living comfortably. 1 simple example- U have come tired from
                          office & u want to relax & watch TV. This is comfort. But if ur son
                          has got exams next day & he needs ur guidance then u will have to
                          forget your comfort and 'take strain'. Comfort or luxury may not be a
                          dharmik act in such cases.

                          jai guru
                          vagabondindia

                          --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, prasanta panda
                          <pk_sk_2002@y...> wrote:
                          > Jayaguru
                          > To indroduce myself ,I am Prashant Panda.I have least Idea about
                          Philosophical things.I also know very little about Thakur.But what I
                          conceive is right.
                          > Before coming to put some idea let me say something first
                          > What is Dharma?
                          > What I know, to live comfortable is dharma.If a person hampers
                          this, is not a religious person.I also do beleive ,I can live
                          sometime without air but not without Dharma.Dharma is so important
                          to us.
                          >
                          > To know Dharma and to understand Dharma one guide is required(who
                          is the God in human form ).If I really want to worship to the god in
                          human form,I should materialise his words and sayings in me and in my
                          beheavior,sayings,works so that people can understand to him(the god
                          in human form) through me.This is called the real worship and not to
                          worship his photos.
                          > If I worship only photos and do nt obey his sayings ,I do nt
                          worship to him also.Worship does not mean to sit infront of the
                          photos.
                          >
                          > Prashant
                          >
                          >
                          > devashish.sarkar@t... wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Jayguru to all
                          >
                          > I feel very uncomfortable asking you all a basic question
                          >
                          > Our family , we all have taken "diksha" so ours is verily a satsang
                          family
                          > We will regularly have satsangs
                          > In one or two of such occasions some "Ritwiks" had seen our puja
                          ghar
                          >
                          > Apart from Images of Thakur , Bada Da, we have Idols and Images of
                          other
                          > Gods and Goddessess eg: Lord Krishna...
                          > So some "Ritwiks" disliked it and instructed us to keep only Thakur
                          in Puja
                          > ghar
                          >
                          > I am still confused why it is like this
                          > Guru has one position ,God has another ..verily both are one and
                          same
                          > But to satiate our dualistic mindsets we go like this only
                          >
                          > Learned members of group please suggest and comment something
                          > Regards
                          > His humble servant
                          > Devashish
                          >
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