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  • vagabondindia
    Dear All, A big controversy is going on regarding the so-called saffronisation and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD Minister Arjun Singh is in the
    Message 1 of 23 , Aug 18, 2004
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      Dear All,

      A big controversy is going on regarding the so-called saffronisation
      and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD Minister Arjun
      Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi.

      Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri Thakurji can we all
      share our opinions on this matter ?

      So, you all requested to come forward and let us have ur considered
      thoughts on the matter.

      Vnade Purushottamam !
      vagabondindia
    • T K Jena
      Thakur s education policy is based on practical training. The urge of love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge that a student can achieve. So, in the
      Message 2 of 23 , Aug 20, 2004
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        Thakur's education policy is based on practical training. The urge of
        love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge that a student can
        achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has very little to
        comment.

        As far as content of syllabus in the light of Thakur, a curriculum
        designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally latest prophet.
        History should be re-written in the Thakur's guidelines.

        Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall of Buddhism as he
        did not portray it properly.

        Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of Mogul emperor as he
        introduced the Pratiloma marriage.

        Do you think the present day historians will agree to these comments. It
        will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach was based on
        genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall from the very day of
        the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of immediate factors
        but emphasis is on the germination phase of the faults!

        I personally find, it is meaningless effort except that one points ot
        the mistake of other without knowing what is right.

        Jai Guru.
        Dr. Jena

        -----Original Message-----
        From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
        Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
        To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books

        Dear All,

        A big controversy is going on regarding the so-called saffronisation
        and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD Minister Arjun
        Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi.

        Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri Thakurji can we all
        share our opinions on this matter ?

        So, you all requested to come forward and let us have ur considered
        thoughts on the matter.

        Vnade Purushottamam !
        vagabondindia





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      • vagabondindia
        Yes. That s true. Can we share such things here in this forum ? Its very important to know our history correctly. Sri Sri Thakur ji s comments on history shud
        Message 3 of 23 , Aug 20, 2004
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          Yes. That's true.

          Can we share such things here in this forum ? Its very important to
          know our history correctly.

          Sri Sri Thakur ji's comments on history shud be compiled at one
          place. WIth all the logic & explanation He gave.

          Relatively speaking, I feel the left-wingers of JNU and other
          Marxists have filled the Indian text books with lots of toxins. Dr.
          Murli M. Joshi was trying to de-toxify that but democracy undid that.
          In this democracy, the people who cannot look beyond two meals a day
          r deciding the fate of the country !! this is a separate topic though.

          Among the Indian leaders Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak was the person
          who favoured the Gurukul system & Vedic education. Vinoba Bhave was
          also not far.

          vagabondindia

          --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...> wrote:
          > Thakur's education policy is based on practical training. The urge
          of
          > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge that a student can
          > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has very little to
          > comment.
          >
          > As far as content of syllabus in the light of Thakur, a curriculum
          > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally latest prophet.
          > History should be re-written in the Thakur's guidelines.
          >
          > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall of Buddhism as
          he
          > did not portray it properly.
          >
          > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of Mogul emperor as he
          > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
          >
          > Do you think the present day historians will agree to these
          comments. It
          > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach was based on
          > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall from the very
          day of
          > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of immediate
          factors
          > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the faults!
          >
          > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except that one points
          ot
          > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
          >
          > Jai Guru.
          > Dr. Jena
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
          > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
          > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
          >
          > Dear All,
          >
          > A big controversy is going on regarding the so-called
          saffronisation
          > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD Minister Arjun
          > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr. Murli Manohar
          Joshi.
          >
          > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri Thakurji can we
          all
          > share our opinions on this matter ?
          >
          > So, you all requested to come forward and let us have ur considered
          > thoughts on the matter.
          >
          > Vnade Purushottamam !
          > vagabondindia
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
        • vagabondindia
          I sincerely hope and pray that some gurubhais among us can come together to start a gurukul system like school on the lines of Tapovan model as suggested by
          Message 4 of 23 , Aug 20, 2004
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            I sincerely hope and pray that some gurubhais among us can come
            together to start a gurukul system like school on the lines
            of 'Tapovan' model as suggested by Sri Sri Thakurji. No classrooms.
            No examinations. All modern education, but with full knowledge of the
            Vedic wisdom, Sanskrit and the also the science & technology hidden
            in our ancient texts.

            The education upto 10th class can be completed in not more than 5-6
            years under this system. We will fix a deal with some other school to
            enable our students to sit in the board exams privately. This way
            they wl not be deprived of the modern degrees. But they will set an
            example for the society and the govt.

            There are many good families who r willing to send their children.
            And funds are also no problem. What we need is committtment and the
            pursual of this project. Funds will follow.

            Can there be an action plan ? Personally, I am ready to provide the
            platform and all I can.

            vagabondindia

            --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "vagabondindia"
            <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
            > Yes. That's true.
            >
            > Can we share such things here in this forum ? Its very important to
            > know our history correctly.
            >
            > Sri Sri Thakur ji's comments on history shud be compiled at one
            > place. WIth all the logic & explanation He gave.
            >
            > Relatively speaking, I feel the left-wingers of JNU and other
            > Marxists have filled the Indian text books with lots of toxins. Dr.
            > Murli M. Joshi was trying to de-toxify that but democracy undid
            that.
            > In this democracy, the people who cannot look beyond two meals a
            day
            > r deciding the fate of the country !! this is a separate topic
            though.
            >
            > Among the Indian leaders Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak was the
            person
            > who favoured the Gurukul system & Vedic education. Vinoba Bhave was
            > also not far.
            >
            > vagabondindia
            >
            > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...>
            wrote:
            > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical training. The
            urge
            > of
            > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge that a student
            can
            > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has very little to
            > > comment.
            > >
            > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of Thakur, a curriculum
            > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally latest
            prophet.
            > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's guidelines.
            > >
            > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall of Buddhism
            as
            > he
            > > did not portray it properly.
            > >
            > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of Mogul emperor as
            he
            > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
            > >
            > > Do you think the present day historians will agree to these
            > comments. It
            > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach was based on
            > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall from the very
            > day of
            > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of immediate
            > factors
            > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the faults!
            > >
            > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except that one
            points
            > ot
            > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
            > >
            > > Jai Guru.
            > > Dr. Jena
            > >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
            > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
            > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
            > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
            > >
            > > Dear All,
            > >
            > > A big controversy is going on regarding the so-called
            > saffronisation
            > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD Minister Arjun
            > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr. Murli Manohar
            > Joshi.
            > >
            > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri Thakurji can we
            > all
            > > share our opinions on this matter ?
            > >
            > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us have ur
            considered
            > > thoughts on the matter.
            > >
            > > Vnade Purushottamam !
            > > vagabondindia
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          • Rajarshi Roy
            Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais, Whatever you ve mentioned it is extremely perfect. But unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to agree that
            Message 5 of 23 , Aug 21, 2004
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              Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,

              Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
              unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
              agree that till now.
              But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
              people will reach upto a considerable amount of
              population then we'll be in a position to explain this
              things to the others.

              So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
              most urgent work.

              But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
              our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
              All of us should devote sometimes to read the
              literature of sri sri thakur.

              Joyguru

              Rajarshi

              --- T K Jena <tkjena@...> wrote:

              > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
              > training. The urge of
              > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
              > that a student can
              > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
              > very little to
              > comment.
              >
              > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
              > Thakur, a curriculum
              > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
              > latest prophet.
              > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
              > guidelines.
              >
              > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
              > of Buddhism as he
              > did not portray it properly.
              >
              > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
              > Mogul emperor as he
              > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
              >
              > Do you think the present day historians will agree
              > to these comments. It
              > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
              > was based on
              > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
              > from the very day of
              > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
              > immediate factors
              > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
              > faults!
              >
              > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
              > that one points ot
              > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
              >
              > Jai Guru.
              > Dr. Jena
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
              >
              > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
              > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
              >
              > Dear All,
              >
              > A big controversy is going on regarding the
              > so-called saffronisation
              > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
              > Minister Arjun
              > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
              > Murli Manohar Joshi.
              >
              > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
              > Thakurji can we all
              > share our opinions on this matter ?
              >
              > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
              > have ur considered
              > thoughts on the matter.
              >
              > Vnade Purushottamam !
              > vagabondindia
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >




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            • T K Jena
              Yes, agreed. Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the light of Thakur s guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry for
              Message 6 of 23 , Aug 21, 2004
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                Yes, agreed.
                Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the light of
                Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry for
                debate and discussion?
                Dr. Jena

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@...]
                Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books


                Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,

                Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                agree that till now.
                But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                things to the others.

                So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                most urgent work.

                But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                literature of sri sri thakur.

                Joyguru

                Rajarshi

                --- T K Jena <tkjena@...> wrote:

                > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                > training. The urge of
                > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                > that a student can
                > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                > very little to
                > comment.
                >
                > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                > Thakur, a curriculum
                > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                > latest prophet.
                > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                > guidelines.
                >
                > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                > of Buddhism as he
                > did not portray it properly.
                >
                > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                > Mogul emperor as he
                > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                >
                > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                > to these comments. It
                > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                > was based on
                > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                > from the very day of
                > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                > immediate factors
                > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                > faults!
                >
                > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                > that one points ot
                > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                >
                > Jai Guru.
                > Dr. Jena
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
                >
                > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                >
                > Dear All,
                >
                > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                > so-called saffronisation
                > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                > Minister Arjun
                > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                >
                > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                > Thakurji can we all
                > share our opinions on this matter ?
                >
                > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                > have ur considered
                > thoughts on the matter.
                >
                > Vnade Purushottamam !
                > vagabondindia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >




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              • TARUN BISWAS
                Joy guru to my all gurubhai, I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in
                Message 7 of 23 , Aug 21, 2004
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                  Joy guru to my all gurubhai,

                  I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the society.
                  I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change the education system.
                  We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                  I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal school than Mandir.
                  We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                  Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of life?
                  think............. think
                  It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                  Joy guru
                  tarunB



                  Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@...> wrote:
                  Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,

                  Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                  unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                  agree that till now.
                  But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                  people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                  population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                  things to the others.

                  So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                  most urgent work.

                  But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                  our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                  All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                  literature of sri sri thakur.

                  Joyguru

                  Rajarshi

                  --- T K Jena <tkjena@...> wrote:

                  > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                  > training. The urge of
                  > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                  > that a student can
                  > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                  > very little to
                  > comment.
                  >
                  > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                  > Thakur, a curriculum
                  > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                  > latest prophet.
                  > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                  > guidelines.
                  >
                  > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                  > of Buddhism as he
                  > did not portray it properly.
                  >
                  > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                  > Mogul emperor as he
                  > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                  >
                  > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                  > to these comments. It
                  > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                  > was based on
                  > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                  > from the very day of
                  > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                  > immediate factors
                  > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                  > faults!
                  >
                  > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                  > that one points ot
                  > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                  >
                  > Jai Guru.
                  > Dr. Jena
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
                  >
                  > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                  > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                  >
                  > Dear All,
                  >
                  > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                  > so-called saffronisation
                  > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                  > Minister Arjun
                  > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                  > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                  >
                  > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                  > Thakurji can we all
                  > share our opinions on this matter ?
                  >
                  > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                  > have ur considered
                  > thoughts on the matter.
                  >
                  > Vnade Purushottamam !
                  > vagabondindia
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >




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                • Vagabond India
                  Yes. Very very much. Rajarshi Roy wrote:Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais, Whatever you ve mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                  Message 8 of 23 , Aug 22, 2004
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                    Yes. Very very much.

                    Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@...> wrote:Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,

                    Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                    unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                    agree that till now.
                    But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                    people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                    population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                    things to the others.

                    So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                    most urgent work.

                    But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                    our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                    All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                    literature of sri sri thakur.

                    Joyguru

                    Rajarshi

                    --- T K Jena <tkjena@...> wrote:

                    > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                    > training. The urge of
                    > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                    > that a student can
                    > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                    > very little to
                    > comment.
                    >
                    > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                    > Thakur, a curriculum
                    > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                    > latest prophet.
                    > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                    > guidelines.
                    >
                    > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                    > of Buddhism as he
                    > did not portray it properly.
                    >
                    > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                    > Mogul emperor as he
                    > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                    >
                    > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                    > to these comments. It
                    > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                    > was based on
                    > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                    > from the very day of
                    > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                    > immediate factors
                    > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                    > faults!
                    >
                    > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                    > that one points ot
                    > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                    >
                    > Jai Guru.
                    > Dr. Jena
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
                    >
                    > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                    > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                    >
                    > Dear All,
                    >
                    > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                    > so-called saffronisation
                    > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                    > Minister Arjun
                    > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                    > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                    >
                    > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                    > Thakurji can we all
                    > share our opinions on this matter ?
                    >
                    > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                    > have ur considered
                    > thoughts on the matter.
                    >
                    > Vnade Purushottamam !
                    > vagabondindia
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >




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                    Dear Dr. Jena ( & all), Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                    Message 9 of 23 , Aug 22, 2004
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                      Dear Dr. Jena ( & all),

                      Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to
                      show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                      automatically start demanding it.Sri Sri Thakurji wanted to do
                      precisely this by setting up of Tapovan school and Shandilya
                      University. We have their drafts.

                      Lets start from the ground level. There r many among satsangees & non-
                      satsangees as well who are looking for a Gurukul-type school to send
                      their children. But lets note that the outer packaging of the project
                      shoud be world-class & up-to date.
                      1.Lets prepare a project,say with power-point presentation.
                      2. I am sure we can find people who can lease us land for the
                      purpose. about 5 to 10 acres in a serene natural setting prefrably in
                      Uttaranchal, northern UP (himalyanregion) or on the banks of river
                      narmada in M.P. ( ideally around Onkareshwar).
                      2. Then we can build the minimal of structures like the ashrams of
                      the Vedic age ( with some modern amenities like toilets). ALl organic
                      & natural. No syntheic materials like cement etc. With original vastu
                      principles.cottage quarters for the teachers who will be able to stay
                      wth their families.
                      3. Farming ( say herbs & horticulture) gaushalas will be there.
                      4. Prayer & meditation halls.
                      5. Library
                      6.There will be no classrooms. And no examinations at all. Teaching
                      will include the modern syllbus of,say, NCERT. But, we will also
                      include teaching Amarkosh, Panini's grammar, Sanskrit, the scinces
                      & technologies of our ancient texts as well. Sri Sri Thakurji's
                      books, Paramhans's, Gita, Quran, Bible all. English also. Mother
                      tongue plus one more language. Hindi for Souh indians and tamil for
                      north indians. Sri Sri Thakurji's 3 language formula !!
                      7. There will be no teaching like "teaching". No student shud feel
                      that he is being taught ! every teacher ( guru) will be personally
                      take charge of a limited no. of shishyaa. The students will work in
                      the farm, gaushalas, conduct yajnas (the sacred threadwill be a must
                      to begin education).
                      8. We will tie up with some lowly private school so that these
                      students can appear in their examinations and secure the modern
                      certificates. It wont take more than 5 to 6 years for our students to
                      pass 10th !!
                      9. We can get even foreign students to come & stay with us for a
                      month or so. Just to see. we have the necessary contacts & network
                      ready for this.

                      These r just my scattered thoughts. the plans are ready though. We
                      need people like u to actively help us.

                      Respected Dada, we can begin with even 3 teachers & 10-15 students.
                      Our institution can get huge publicity on national & international
                      level. Then we can take the bigger step of setting up of Shandilya
                      University.

                      Funds are no problem. What we lack is committed gurubhais who can
                      sacrifice theirs worldly gains to achieve these universal gains!!!!

                      Vande Purushottamam !!
                      vagabondindia

                      --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                      > Yes, agreed.
                      > Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the
                      light of
                      > Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry for
                      > debate and discussion?
                      > Dr. Jena
                      >
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@y...]
                      > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                      > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                      >
                      >
                      > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                      >
                      > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                      > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                      > agree that till now.
                      > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                      > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                      > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                      > things to the others.
                      >
                      > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                      > most urgent work.
                      >
                      > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                      > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                      > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                      > literature of sri sri thakur.
                      >
                      > Joyguru
                      >
                      > Rajarshi
                      >
                      > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                      > > training. The urge of
                      > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                      > > that a student can
                      > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                      > > very little to
                      > > comment.
                      > >
                      > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                      > > Thakur, a curriculum
                      > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                      > > latest prophet.
                      > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                      > > guidelines.
                      > >
                      > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                      > > of Buddhism as he
                      > > did not portray it properly.
                      > >
                      > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                      > > Mogul emperor as he
                      > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                      > >
                      > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                      > > to these comments. It
                      > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                      > > was based on
                      > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                      > > from the very day of
                      > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                      > > immediate factors
                      > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                      > > faults!
                      > >
                      > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                      > > that one points ot
                      > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                      > >
                      > > Jai Guru.
                      > > Dr. Jena
                      > >
                      > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                      > >
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                      > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                      > >
                      > > Dear All,
                      > >
                      > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                      > > so-called saffronisation
                      > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                      > > Minister Arjun
                      > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                      > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                      > >
                      > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                      > > Thakurji can we all
                      > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                      > >
                      > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                      > > have ur considered
                      > > thoughts on the matter.
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                      Dear Tarun da, Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given the outline of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                      Message 10 of 23 , Aug 22, 2004
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                        Dear Tarun da,

                        Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                        the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                        precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                        minutest of details.

                        I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                        thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                        of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                        use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                        main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                        awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                        surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                        & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                        desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                        Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                        them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                        " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                        last hope too !!

                        Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                        Vagabondindia

                        --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                        wrote:
                        > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                        >
                        > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                        given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                        sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                        system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                        society.
                        > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                        the education system.
                        > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                        Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                        > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                        school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                        so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                        spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                        very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                        is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                        search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                        school than Mandir.
                        > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                        > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                        life?
                        > think............. think
                        > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                        way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.
                        >
                        > Joy guru
                        > tarunB
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                        > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                        >
                        > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                        > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                        > agree that till now.
                        > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                        > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                        > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                        > things to the others.
                        >
                        > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                        > most urgent work.
                        >
                        > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                        > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                        > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                        > literature of sri sri thakur.
                        >
                        > Joyguru
                        >
                        > Rajarshi
                        >
                        > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                        >
                        > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                        > > training. The urge of
                        > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                        > > that a student can
                        > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                        > > very little to
                        > > comment.
                        > >
                        > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                        > > Thakur, a curriculum
                        > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                        > > latest prophet.
                        > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                        > > guidelines.
                        > >
                        > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                        > > of Buddhism as he
                        > > did not portray it properly.
                        > >
                        > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                        > > Mogul emperor as he
                        > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                        > >
                        > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                        > > to these comments. It
                        > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                        > > was based on
                        > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                        > > from the very day of
                        > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                        > > immediate factors
                        > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                        > > faults!
                        > >
                        > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                        > > that one points ot
                        > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                        > >
                        > > Jai Guru.
                        > > Dr. Jena
                        > >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                        > >
                        > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                        > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                        > >
                        > > Dear All,
                        > >
                        > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                        > > so-called saffronisation
                        > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                        > > Minister Arjun
                        > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                        > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                        > >
                        > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                        > > Thakurji can we all
                        > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                        > >
                        > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                        > > have ur considered
                        > > thoughts on the matter.
                        > >
                        > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                        > > vagabondindia
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                        ... at my house every 2nd saturday of the month there is a satsang of sri sri thakuranukulchandraji.those who r interested please contect me .   ... at my
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                          On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 TARUN BISWAS wrote :

                          >Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                          >
                          >I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the society.
                          >I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change the education system.
                          >We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                          >I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal school than Mandir.
                          >We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                          >Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of life?
                          >  think............. think
                          >It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.
                          >
                          >Joy guru
                          >tarunB
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@...> wrote:
                          >Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                          >
                          >Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                          >unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                          >agree that till now.
                          >But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                          >people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                          >population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                          >things to the others.
                          >
                          >So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                          >most urgent work.
                          >
                          >But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                          >our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                          >All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                          >literature of sri sri thakur.
                          >
                          >Joyguru
                          >
                          >Rajarshi
                          >
                          >--- T K Jena <tkjena@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                          > > training. The urge of
                          > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                          > > that a student can
                          > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                          > > very little to
                          > > comment.
                          > >
                          > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                          > > Thakur, a curriculum
                          > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                          > > latest prophet.
                          > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                          > > guidelines.
                          > >
                          > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                          > > of Buddhism as he
                          > > did not portray it properly.
                          > >
                          > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                          > > Mogul emperor as he
                          > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                          > >
                          > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                          > > to these comments. It
                          > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                          > > was based on
                          > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                          > > from the very day of
                          > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                          > > immediate factors
                          > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                          > > faults!
                          > >
                          > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                          > > that one points ot
                          > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                          > >
                          > > Jai Guru.
                          > > Dr. Jena
                          > >
                          > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
                          > >
                          > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                          > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                          > >
                          > > Dear All,
                          > >
                          > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                          > > so-called saffronisation
                          > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                          > > Minister Arjun
                          > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                          > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                          > >
                          > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                          > > Thakurji can we all
                          > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                          > >
                          > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                          > > have ur considered
                          > > thoughts on the matter.
                          > >
                          > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                          > > vagabondindia
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                        • TARUN BISWAS
                          fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented. I have no reservation regarding china or any.................. u have mentioned Discipline and
                          Message 12 of 23 , Aug 26, 2004
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                            fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                            I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                            u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own way.
                             
                            Jay guru
                            TarunB

                            vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                            Dear Tarun da,

                            Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                            the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                            precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                            minutest of details.

                            I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                            thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                            of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                            use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                            main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                            awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                            surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                            & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                            desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                            Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                            them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                            " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                            last hope too !!

                            Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                            Vagabondindia

                            --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                            wrote:
                            > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                            >
                            > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                            given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                            sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                            system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                            society.
                            > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                            the education system.
                            > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                            Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                            > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                            school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                            so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                            spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                            very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                            is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                            search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                            school than Mandir.
                            > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                            > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                            life?
                            >  think............. think
                            > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                            way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                            > Joy guru
                            > tarunB



                            > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                            > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                            >
                            > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                            > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                            > agree that till now.
                            > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                            > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                            > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                            > things to the others.
                            >
                            > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                            > most urgent work.
                            >
                            > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                            > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                            > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                            > literature of sri sri thakur.
                            >
                            > Joyguru
                            >
                            > Rajarshi
                            >
                            > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                            > > training. The urge of
                            > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                            > > that a student can
                            > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                            > > very little to
                            > > comment.
                            > >
                            > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                            > > Thakur, a curriculum
                            > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                            > > latest prophet.
                            > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                            > > guidelines.
                            > >
                            > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                            > > of Buddhism as he
                            > > did not portray it properly.
                            > >
                            > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                            > > Mogul emperor as he
                            > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                            > >
                            > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                            > > to these comments. It
                            > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                            > > was based on
                            > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                            > > from the very day of
                            > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                            > > immediate factors
                            > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                            > > faults!
                            > >
                            > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                            > > that one points ot
                            > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                            > >
                            > > Jai Guru.
                            > > Dr. Jena
                            > >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                            > >
                            > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                            > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                            > >
                            > > Dear All,
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                            > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                            > > so-called saffronisation
                            > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                            > > Minister Arjun
                            > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                            > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                            > >
                            > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                            > > Thakurji can we all
                            > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                            > >
                            > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                            > > have ur considered
                            > > thoughts on the matter.
                            > >
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                          • TARUN BISWAS
                            fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented. I have no reservation regarding china or any.................. u have mentioned Discipline and
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                              fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                              I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                              u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own way.
                               
                              Jay guru
                              TarunB

                              vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                              Dear Tarun da,

                              Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                              the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                              precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                              minutest of details.

                              I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                              thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                              of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                              use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                              main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                              awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                              surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                              & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                              desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                              Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                              them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                              " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                              last hope too !!

                              Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                              Vagabondindia

                              --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                              wrote:
                              > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                              >
                              > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                              given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                              sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                              system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                              society.
                              > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                              the education system.
                              > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                              Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                              > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                              school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                              so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                              spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                              very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                              is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                              search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                              school than Mandir.
                              > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                              > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                              life?
                              >  think............. think
                              > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                              way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                              > Joy guru
                              > tarunB



                              > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                              > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                              >
                              > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                              > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                              > agree that till now.
                              > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                              > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                              > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                              > things to the others.
                              >
                              > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                              > most urgent work.
                              >
                              > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                              > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                              > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                              > literature of sri sri thakur.
                              >
                              > Joyguru
                              >
                              > Rajarshi
                              >
                              > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                              >
                              > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                              > > training. The urge of
                              > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                              > > that a student can
                              > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                              > > very little to
                              > > comment.
                              > >
                              > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                              > > Thakur, a curriculum
                              > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                              > > latest prophet.
                              > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                              > > guidelines.
                              > >
                              > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                              > > of Buddhism as he
                              > > did not portray it properly.
                              > >
                              > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                              > > Mogul emperor as he
                              > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                              > >
                              > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                              > > to these comments. It
                              > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                              > > was based on
                              > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                              > > from the very day of
                              > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                              > > immediate factors
                              > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                              > > faults!
                              > >
                              > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                              > > that one points ot
                              > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                              > >
                              > > Jai Guru.
                              > > Dr. Jena
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                              > >
                              > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                              > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                              > >
                              > > Dear All,
                              > >
                              > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                              > > so-called saffronisation
                              > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                              > > Minister Arjun
                              > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                              > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                              > >
                              > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                              > > Thakurji can we all
                              > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                              > >
                              > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                              > > have ur considered
                              > > thoughts on the matter.
                              > >
                              > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                              > > vagabondindia
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                            • Vagabond India
                              dear sir, True, discipline & committment are not material things....They r only means, not end in themselves. If we have to admire anyone for discipline &
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                                dear sir,
                                 
                                True, discipline & committment are not material things....They r only means, not end in themselves. If we have to admire anyone for discipline & committment only then we can admire the Al-Qayda & the Taliban.. !!! Look, how committed they are ! Just a group of individuals challenging the might of the most powerful nation !! We satsangees are not even upto their ankles in committment, discipline & willingness to sacrifice all for the cause !!!!!!
                                 
                                Discipline & committment or any other 'means' are meaningless until & unless they are used for spiritual awakening,i.e. for the Sadguru....
                                 
                                Morality and spiritual awakening may not co-exist. Many many times there are conflicts between morality & "dharm"( call of spiritual awakening). Then we have to choose the later. Sri Sri Thakur ji has illustrated it beatifully in the last passage of "Amiya- Vani" ( collection by Ashwini Kr. Biswas)... (The Hindi version is "Amiya- Varta")
                                 
                                Bhism had vowed to be loyal to the throne always. It was his moral duty to do so. So, he ended up favouring Duryodhana inspite of knowing that he was doing wrong things. On the other hand, Sri Krishna had vowed that He will not take up arms in the battle of Mahabharat. Keeping the vow was His moral duty.
                                 
                                The battle began. Despite the lecture of Gita and all efforts of Sri Krishna, Arjun was not able to forcefully attack Bhisma as he loved & revered him a lot. He was not mustering his all strength. When Sri Krishna saw that Arjun is not listening, He got angry, "broke His vow" and picked up a chariot-wheel to kill Bhisma himself.  Bhisma, being a man of fine calibre, saw Krishna breaking morality to favour the TRUTH, the spiritual dharm.....!!! he immediately realised his own mistake and also that Sri Krishna is the Purushottama...the Superman.. or Bhagwan !! He surrendered then & there. Had Bhisma been spiritually more awakened he wd have saved India from the destruction of Mahabharat by transcending morality  to favour the Dharm.
                                 
                                Karn did the same thing. Morally he was an ideal friend of Duryodhana..always supporting him. But the truth is that he never tried to make Duryodhana understand that going aginst the wish of Sri Krishna is adharma !!
                                 
                                Suppose, Mr. Mohan has peomised to meet someone at 9 a.m. It is his moral duty to keep the promise. But if Sri Sri Thakurji calls him at 8.55 he MUST forget that moral duty. In other words, he must TRANSCEND morality. Sri Ram killed Bali, sent  Sita to jungle due a washerman's complaint !! In both these cases He transcended morality and established Dharm. Was it not Buddha's moral duty to take care of His wife & son ???  It was, but He had come to set up an example of spiritual demands being superior to morality.
                                 
                                I DONT MEAN to say that morality and dharm are ALWAYS contradictary. I merely mean that spiritual awakening enables to be moral AS LONG AS it supports 'dharma'.
                                 
                                The Chinese are moral, discipline and committed. But to a wrong cause. ( i dont mean here each & every chinese,,, Confucious was different) Raavan & Kans were also disciplined & committed... but against the Prophet !!
                                 
                                Entire Europe is perhaps more moral, disciplined & committed than us. Nice, very nice. But its of no use if not used for spiritual awakening... the " Trishna ka Ekant nirvan...Mahachetansamutthan"( Sri Sri Thakurji)
                                love
                                vagabondindia
                                 
                                TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@...> wrote:
                                fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                                I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                                u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own way.
                                 
                                Jay guru
                                TarunB

                                vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                                Dear Tarun da,

                                Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                                the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                                precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                                minutest of details.

                                I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                                thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                                of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                                use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                                main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                                awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                                surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                                & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                                desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                                Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                                them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                                " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                                last hope too !!

                                Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                                Vagabondindia

                                --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                wrote:
                                > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                >
                                > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                                given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                                sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                                system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                                society.
                                > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                                the education system.
                                > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                                Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                                school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                                so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                                spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                                very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                                is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                                search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                                school than Mandir.
                                > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                                > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                                life?
                                >  think............. think
                                > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                                way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                                > Joy guru
                                > tarunB



                                > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                >
                                > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                > agree that till now.
                                > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                > things to the others.
                                >
                                > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                > most urgent work.
                                >
                                > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                >
                                > Joyguru
                                >
                                > Rajarshi
                                >
                                > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                > > training. The urge of
                                > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                > > that a student can
                                > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                > > very little to
                                > > comment.
                                > >
                                > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                > > latest prophet.
                                > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                > > guidelines.
                                > >
                                > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                > > of Buddhism as he
                                > > did not portray it properly.
                                > >
                                > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                > > Mogul emperor as he
                                > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                > >
                                > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                > > to these comments. It
                                > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                > > was based on
                                > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                > > from the very day of
                                > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                > > immediate factors
                                > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                > > faults!
                                > >
                                > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                > > that one points ot
                                > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                > >
                                > > Jai Guru.
                                > > Dr. Jena
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                > >
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                > >
                                > > Dear All,
                                > >
                                > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                > > so-called saffronisation
                                > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                > > Minister Arjun
                                > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                > >
                                > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                > > Thakurji can we all
                                > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                > >
                                > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                > > have ur considered
                                > > thoughts on the matter.
                                > >
                                > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                                > > vagabondindia
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                              • Vagabond India
                                As i have said in my previous reply, a committed and disciplined man may not have any spiritual realisation !! Committed & disciplined Osama bin Laden, Gen.
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                                  As i have said in my previous reply, a committed and disciplined man may not have any spiritual realisation !!
                                   
                                  Committed & disciplined Osama bin Laden, Gen. Musharaff, Veerappan are NOT SPIRITUALLY  REALISED SOULS !!!!!
                                   
                                  vagabondindia
                                   
                                  TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@...> wrote:
                                  fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                                  I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                                  u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own way.
                                   
                                  Jay guru
                                  TarunB

                                  vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                                  Dear Tarun da,

                                  Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                                  the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                                  precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                                  minutest of details.

                                  I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                                  thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                                  of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                                  use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                                  main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                                  awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                                  surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                                  & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                                  desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                                  Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                                  them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                                  " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                                  last hope too !!

                                  Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                                  Vagabondindia

                                  --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                  >
                                  > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                                  given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                                  sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                                  system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                                  society.
                                  > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                                  the education system.
                                  > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                                  Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                  > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                                  school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                                  so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                                  spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                                  very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                                  is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                                  search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                                  school than Mandir.
                                  > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                                  > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                                  life?
                                  >  think............. think
                                  > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                                  way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                                  > Joy guru
                                  > tarunB



                                  > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                  > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                  >
                                  > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                  > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                  > agree that till now.
                                  > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                  > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                  > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                  > things to the others.
                                  >
                                  > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                  > most urgent work.
                                  >
                                  > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                  > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                  > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                  > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                  >
                                  > Joyguru
                                  >
                                  > Rajarshi
                                  >
                                  > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                  > > training. The urge of
                                  > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                  > > that a student can
                                  > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                  > > very little to
                                  > > comment.
                                  > >
                                  > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                  > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                  > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                  > > latest prophet.
                                  > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                  > > guidelines.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                  > > of Buddhism as he
                                  > > did not portray it properly.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                  > > Mogul emperor as he
                                  > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                  > >
                                  > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                  > > to these comments. It
                                  > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                  > > was based on
                                  > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                  > > from the very day of
                                  > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                  > > immediate factors
                                  > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                  > > faults!
                                  > >
                                  > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                  > > that one points ot
                                  > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                  > >
                                  > > Jai Guru.
                                  > > Dr. Jena
                                  > >
                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                  > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                  > >
                                  > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                  > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear All,
                                  > >
                                  > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                  > > so-called saffronisation
                                  > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                  > > Minister Arjun
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                                  > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                  > >
                                  > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                  > > Thakurji can we all
                                  > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                  > >
                                  > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                  > > have ur considered
                                  > > thoughts on the matter.
                                  > >
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                                • Rajarshi Roy
                                  Jayguru, I can add the list like Hitler.... Very good example to support counter logic.!!!! But the fact is that NObody can deny the importance of commitment
                                  Message 16 of 23 , Aug 26, 2004
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                                    Jayguru,

                                    I can add the list like Hitler....

                                    Very good example to support counter logic.!!!!
                                    But the fact is that NObody can deny the importance of
                                    commitment and discipline.
                                    Without both of them no nation can sustain for longer
                                    period of time.Other thing I want to mention here that
                                    if we think we're superior than China in our mind only
                                    because we've a rich cultural heritage then we'll be
                                    too much complacent.We just can't ignore the
                                    materialistic gain in the country and for individuals.

                                    But we need to drive our commitment and discipline in
                                    the light of spiritual thoughts...If we follow
                                    thakur's principles correctly, then will it will be
                                    possible.

                                    Please continue , I'll catch you guys later

                                    Regards

                                    Raj


                                    --- Vagabond India <vagabondindia@...> wrote:

                                    > As i have said in my previous reply, a committed and
                                    > disciplined man may not have any spiritual
                                    > realisation !!
                                    >
                                    > Committed & disciplined Osama bin Laden, Gen.
                                    > Musharaff, Veerappan are NOT SPIRITUALLY REALISED
                                    > SOULS !!!!!
                                    >
                                    > vagabondindia
                                    >
                                    > TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@...> wrote:
                                    > fine, later we will discuss how it could be
                                    > implemented.
                                    > I have no reservation regarding china or
                                    > any..................
                                    > u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment'
                                    > followed by China to become the leader.Those r not
                                    > the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man
                                    > can not be considered as demoralised because
                                    > morality is the source of commitment and discipline.
                                    > And morality can not exist without spiritual
                                    > realisation. That means a committed and disciplined
                                    > man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their
                                    > own way.
                                    >
                                    > Jay guru
                                    > TarunB
                                    >
                                    > vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                                    > Dear Tarun da,
                                    >
                                    > Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has
                                    > not merely given
                                    > the "outline" of the education system... He has left
                                    > nothing in His
                                    > precription !!! We have each & every material
                                    > ready!! down to
                                    > minutest of details.
                                    >
                                    > I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder
                                    > with the mere
                                    > thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to
                                    > follow examples
                                    > of discipline & committment. But lets not mention
                                    > china. Whats the
                                    > use of material growth & olympic medals when one is
                                    > failing in the
                                    > main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual
                                    > awakening.... the
                                    > awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards
                                    > complete
                                    > surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME
                                    > LORD.... The chinese
                                    > & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in
                                    > fulfillinf thier carnal
                                    > desires...They r limited to the physical level.
                                    >
                                    > Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much
                                    > much ahead of
                                    > them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining
                                    > drop of india's
                                    > " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the
                                    > world & thats the
                                    > last hope too !!
                                    >
                                    > Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.
                                    >
                                    > Vagabondindia
                                    >
                                    > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS
                                    > <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                    > >
                                    > > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri
                                    > Thakur have
                                    > given the outline of our education system. I am
                                    > taking it in broader
                                    > sense that no system should not be standstill.We
                                    > have to modify our
                                    > system accordingly to fulfil the increasing
                                    > requirements of the
                                    > society.
                                    > > I do not think only increasing initiations can
                                    > infuence to change
                                    > the education system.
                                    > > We have to start it from grass root level. we
                                    > should follow the
                                    > Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                    > > I beleive initiation can be done properly and
                                    > effectively from very
                                    > school level.Children can be teached by initiated
                                    > and educated people
                                    > so that they can learn and acustomed from very
                                    > childhood with our
                                    > spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I
                                    > noticed children are
                                    > very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As
                                    > School Environment
                                    > is regarded as the ideal place for character build
                                    > up and talent
                                    > search and develop, we should be more attentive to
                                    > build the ideal
                                    > school than Mandir.
                                    > > We should think seriously our defects and
                                    > drawbacks,
                                    > > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in
                                    > every field of
                                    > life?
                                    > > think............. think
                                    > > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also
                                    > searching the right
                                    > way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.
                                    > >
                                    > > Joy guru
                                    > > tarunB
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                    > > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                    > >
                                    > > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect.
                                    > But
                                    > > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready
                                    > to
                                    > > agree that till now.
                                    > > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of
                                    > initiated
                                    > > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                    > > population then we'll be in a position to explain
                                    > this
                                    > > things to the others.
                                    > >
                                    > > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is
                                    > the
                                    > > most urgent work.
                                    > >
                                    > > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age
                                    > of
                                    > > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve
                                    > this.
                                    > > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                    > > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                    > >
                                    > > Joyguru
                                    > >
                                    > > Rajarshi
                                    > >
                                    > > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                    > > > training. The urge of
                                    > > > love to teacher determines the depth of
                                    > knowledge
                                    > > > that a student can
                                    > > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it
                                    > has
                                    > > > very little to
                                    > > > comment.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                    > > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                    > > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and
                                    > ideally
                                    > > > latest prophet.
                                    > > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                    > > > guidelines.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the
                                    > downfall
                                    > > > of Buddhism as he
                                    > > > did not portray it properly.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                    > > > Mogul emperor as he
                                    > > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Do you think the present day historians will
                                    > agree
                                    > > > to these comments. It
                                    > > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's
                                    > approach
                                    > > > was based on
                                    > > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of
                                    > downfall
                                    > > > from the very day of
                                    > > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the
                                    > roll of
                                    > > > immediate factors
                                    > > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                    > > > faults!
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort
                                    > except
                                    > > > that one points ot
                                    > > > the mistake of other without knowing what is
                                    > right.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Jai Guru.
                                    > > > Dr. Jena
                                    >
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                                  • patra dc
                                    Good anlalysis. However, it is all very fine level of distinction.Both dharma and morality can go together. It is only at some critical moment, this
                                    Message 17 of 23 , Aug 27, 2004
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                                      Good anlalysis.
                                       
                                      However, it is all very fine level of distinction.Both 'dharma' and morality can go together. It is only at some critical moment, this distinction does come into play and there of course, 'dharma' takes priority over morality.
                                       
                                      The discussion on this orginated by reference to China. We need to learn the good things from China or for that matter from any developed or developing nation. They have adoted the art of nation building and economic development very seriously. If that economic edifice has been supported by their culture and society, then there is something in them for us to learn.
                                       
                                      On the contrary, we (in the sense, majority of good indians) are carrying legacy of the past and basking in the glory of the tradition. Here Sri Sri Thakur makes a difference. He makes a new beginning. He brought science and spirituality together. Today, if Indians have to really take pride for their glorious past, they have to carry the present prophet in the forefront. 
                                       
                                      Following the current, contemporaty and latest Prophet is the acid test of our cultural strength. If that is not happening, then we need to be afraid that our culture is corroded. We are carrying the dry log of an once-mighty tree.
                                       
                                      Dear brothers, let us put our acts together and reflect: can we bring about a cultural regeneration, keeping Sri Sri Thakur as the Ideal? In Sri Sri Thakur's ideology, everything has a harmonious place.
                                       
                                      May I request my brothers to give me their mailing address, I would be glad to send a book to them. It is "Rolling Existence and its Pivot", authoured and published by me, of course by His grace. 
                                       
                                      I personally believe, we all intellectuals have a duty to do 'jaajan' throug literature. Mass spread of literature can, if at all does, bring about a mass awareness about Sri Sri Thakur and His grand ideology.
                                       
                                      Jaiguru to all my esteemed brothers. I am in Mumbai. My telephone no. is 9820132213. I am involved in organizing some kind of Satsang activities at Mumbai, in a very limited way. If I can do any service to any body in promoting Sri Sri Thakur's interst, I am available. Pl. call me.    
                                       
                                      May the Lord lead the way.
                                       
                                      Regards,
                                       
                                      DC Patra
                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: Vagabond India [mailto:vagabondindia@...]
                                      Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:04 PM
                                      To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Re: Indian Text Books

                                      dear sir,
                                       
                                      True, discipline & committment are not material things....They r only means, not end in themselves. If we have to admire anyone for discipline & committment only then we can admire the Al-Qayda & the Taliban.. !!! Look, how committed they are ! Just a group of individuals challenging the might of the most powerful nation !! We satsangees are not even upto their ankles in committment, discipline & willingness to sacrifice all for the cause !!!!!!
                                       
                                      Discipline & committment or any other 'means' are meaningless until & unless they are used for spiritual awakening,i.e. for the Sadguru....
                                       
                                      Morality and spiritual awakening may not co-exist. Many many times there are conflicts between morality & "dharm"( call of spiritual awakening). Then we have to choose the later. Sri Sri Thakur ji has illustrated it beatifully in the last passage of "Amiya- Vani" ( collection by Ashwini Kr. Biswas)... (The Hindi version is "Amiya- Varta")
                                       
                                      Bhism had vowed to be loyal to the throne always. It was his moral duty to do so. So, he ended up favouring Duryodhana inspite of knowing that he was doing wrong things. On the other hand, Sri Krishna had vowed that He will not take up arms in the battle of Mahabharat. Keeping the vow was His moral duty.
                                       
                                      The battle began. Despite the lecture of Gita and all efforts of Sri Krishna, Arjun was not able to forcefully attack Bhisma as he loved & revered him a lot. He was not mustering his all strength. When Sri Krishna saw that Arjun is not listening, He got angry, "broke His vow" and picked up a chariot-wheel to kill Bhisma himself.  Bhisma, being a man of fine calibre, saw Krishna breaking morality to favour the TRUTH, the spiritual dharm.....!!! he immediately realised his own mistake and also that Sri Krishna is the Purushottama...the Superman.. or Bhagwan !! He surrendered then & there. Had Bhisma been spiritually more awakened he wd have saved India from the destruction of Mahabharat by transcending morality  to favour the Dharm.
                                       
                                      Karn did the same thing. Morally he was an ideal friend of Duryodhana..always supporting him. But the truth is that he never tried to make Duryodhana understand that going aginst the wish of Sri Krishna is adharma !!
                                       
                                      Suppose, Mr. Mohan has peomised to meet someone at 9 a.m. It is his moral duty to keep the promise. But if Sri Sri Thakurji calls him at 8.55 he MUST forget that moral duty. In other words, he must TRANSCEND morality. Sri Ram killed Bali, sent  Sita to jungle due a washerman's complaint !! In both these cases He transcended morality and established Dharm. Was it not Buddha's moral duty to take care of His wife & son ???  It was, but He had come to set up an example of spiritual demands being superior to morality.
                                       
                                      I DONT MEAN to say that morality and dharm are ALWAYS contradictary. I merely mean that spiritual awakening enables to be moral AS LONG AS it supports 'dharma'.
                                       
                                      The Chinese are moral, discipline and committed. But to a wrong cause. ( i dont mean here each & every chinese,,, Confucious was different) Raavan & Kans were also disciplined & committed... but against the Prophet !!
                                       
                                      Entire Europe is perhaps more moral, disciplined & committed than us. Nice, very nice. But its of no use if not used for spiritual awakening... the " Trishna ka Ekant nirvan...Mahachetansamutthan"( Sri Sri Thakurji)
                                      love
                                      vagabondindia
                                       
                                      TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@...> wrote:
                                      fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                                      I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                                      u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own way.
                                       
                                      Jay guru
                                      TarunB

                                      vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                                      Dear Tarun da,

                                      Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                                      the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                                      precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                                      minutest of details.

                                      I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                                      thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                                      of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                                      use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                                      main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                                      awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                                      surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The chinese
                                      & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier carnal
                                      desires...They r limited to the physical level.

                                      Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                                      them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                                      " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                                      last hope too !!

                                      Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.

                                      Vagabondindia

                                      --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                      wrote:
                                      > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                      >
                                      > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                                      given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in broader
                                      sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                                      system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                                      society.
                                      > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                                      the education system.
                                      > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                                      Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                      > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from very
                                      school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated people
                                      so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                                      spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children are
                                      very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School Environment
                                      is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                                      search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                                      school than Mandir.
                                      > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                                      > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                                      life?
                                      >  think............. think
                                      > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the right
                                      way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.

                                      > Joy guru
                                      > tarunB



                                      > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                      > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                      >
                                      > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                      > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                      > agree that till now.
                                      > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                      > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                      > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                      > things to the others.
                                      >
                                      > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                      > most urgent work.
                                      >
                                      > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                      > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                      > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                      > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                      >
                                      > Joyguru
                                      >
                                      > Rajarshi
                                      >
                                      > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                      > > training. The urge of
                                      > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                      > > that a student can
                                      > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                      > > very little to
                                      > > comment.
                                      > >
                                      > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                      > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                      > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                      > > latest prophet.
                                      > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                      > > guidelines.
                                      > >
                                      > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                      > > of Buddhism as he
                                      > > did not portray it properly.
                                      > >
                                      > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                      > > Mogul emperor as he
                                      > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                      > >
                                      > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                      > > to these comments. It
                                      > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                      > > was based on
                                      > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                      > > from the very day of
                                      > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                      > > immediate factors
                                      > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                      > > faults!
                                      > >
                                      > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                      > > that one points ot
                                      > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                      > >
                                      > > Jai Guru.
                                      > > Dr. Jena
                                      > >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                      > >
                                      > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                      > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                      > >
                                      > > Dear All,
                                      > >
                                      > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                      > > so-called saffronisation
                                      > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                      > > Minister Arjun
                                      > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                      > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                      > >
                                      > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                      > > Thakurji can we all
                                      > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                      > >
                                      > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                      > > have ur considered
                                      > > thoughts on the matter.
                                      > >
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                                      Very true. Without the present Prophet, no true development is poosible. The so-called developed nations of today are developed only in material
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                                        Very true. Without the present Prophet, no true development is
                                        poosible.

                                        The so-called "developed nations" of today are "developed" only in
                                        material consumption an fulfilling the baser desires. They have been
                                        successful in providing ample opprotunity to all their citizens in
                                        material growth and arousal of animal instincts. Their growth started
                                        with the Industrial Revolution. And, now,just within 200-300 years
                                        they have brought the human civilization & the world to the brink of
                                        annihilation !!! Unhibited Consumption of natural resources,
                                        tremndous generation of waste (general+chemical fertilisers
                                        +industrial+nuclear) and exploitation of the weak on the economic,
                                        social & religious fronts are the hallmarks of the
                                        modern "development". Land, water, air...all have got polluted. Then,
                                        there is the mental pollution. Dominance,thoughts,deeds & products of
                                        asuric forces & tamasik tendencies release a kind of very strong
                                        negative vibration which has dangerously disturbed the subtle
                                        atmosphere of our planet. Evn the electro-magnetic field is
                                        disturbed. It retards spiritual growth & encourages the complexes-
                                        Kaam, Krodh, mad ,moh, lobh & matsraya etc. The "sukshm Chetna" of
                                        earth has become polluted & disturbed.

                                        In Puranic terms, the "devatas" have become deprived of
                                        their "havis"...thie share of the yajna. Wheras the "Asuras" are
                                        getting full nourishment !! Thats why there is & has been a
                                        phenomenal growth of negative( taamasik)deeds in recent decades. This
                                        is a rush towards death.

                                        Our vision & perception is getting coloured by the lure of material
                                        riches. Just look at the IT guys for example... running to America !!
                                        Jumping into the well of hell !!

                                        On the other hand we r carrying the "dead log of the once-might tree"
                                        as you have beautifully put it. Now, the time has come for us to
                                        correct our weeknesses and re-activate the Saatvik forces to correct
                                        the imbalances in nature,within ourselves & out as well. Lets advance
                                        in science & technology but not with present one... rather with an
                                        ORGANIC ..nature-friendly technology. We will have airplanes, cars &
                                        evrything, perhaps more advanced... but not made of & exploiting
                                        nature. Lets obey Nature to conquer it !!

                                        This science-technology is & has been already there. Sri Sri Thakurji
                                        has shown the way. Lets follow HIM.

                                        U have said that...the west & the Chinese etc."have adoted the art of
                                        nation building and economic development very seriously. If that
                                        economic edifice has been supported by their culture and society,
                                        then there is something in them for us to learn."

                                        I only want to say that the above is not new to India. It is a part
                                        of our legacy.

                                        As far as Nation is concerned, you know very well what Sri Sri Thakur
                                        ji has said. "Desh" comes from "Aadesh" (order) which is given by
                                        the "Aadarsh" ( Ideal)."Ek aadeshe chole jaara, taadei niye samaj
                                        gara".. the society is formed by unitying under ONE IDEAL. Now, if
                                        this IDEAL is not the Present Prophet, the society will disintegrate
                                        & no real development will take place.

                                        Secondly, "Nationalism is the measles of mankind". Lets remeber that
                                        the so called boundaries of nations are detriments in development &
                                        growth of the human society. What we need is the the revival of
                                        ORGANIC STATES (sort of democratic kingdoms, ruled by the King but
                                        bound by the decision of the spiritually awakened ones. They are not
                                        small countries. They are just states of a specific type of people &
                                        culture with free flow of people from one state to another. Havnt we
                                        noticed how languages (even the same one), dialects & snaskriti of
                                        the Indians change after every 5 miles perhaps !!!! Such a rich
                                        diversity !!! Wow !! remember, there were so many small kingdoms in
                                        the past.... But Aray Bharatvarsha was one with ONE CHAKRAVARTY
                                        SAMRAT. Full autonomy. Full democracy of the real kind. Real democray
                                        is "Vox dei Vox populi" nor "vox populi Vox dei". ( Vox populi= voice
                                        of people; Vox dei= voice of devtaas)

                                        Economic development will automatically come once we have correct
                                        genetic material in humans and devotion to the Present Prophet.. the
                                        Latest "Manu" ( Law giver) Sri Sri Thakur ji.

                                        Economic growth is important but NOT AN ESSENTIAL PRE-REQUISITE.

                                        The essential pre-requistes are:

                                        1. Initiation & sincere efforts to actively follow the Present
                                        Prophet.

                                        2. Accepting that GOD is ONE and all Past Prophets are expressions of
                                        the SAME. The Present Prophet is the consummation of all the previous
                                        ones. And that this chain of Prophets will continue in future as well.
                                        None of them is the last one. Respect to the great saints of the
                                        world as well.

                                        3. Dharm is one. opinion can be many. Conversion is no version of
                                        religion.

                                        4. Establishment of Varnashramic principles of marriage. Removal of
                                        Pratilom marriage & inbreeding.

                                        5. Establishment of the correct Ideal (aims) of life & Education on
                                        the principles of the Sanatan Dharma.

                                        All other things are secondary and will automatically follow.
                                        Including economic growth, discipline, committment etc. etc.

                                        Vande Purushottamam !!

                                        vagbondindia

                                        --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "patra dc" <patradc@b...>
                                        wrote:
                                        > Good anlalysis.
                                        >
                                        > However, it is all very fine level of distinction.Both 'dharma' and
                                        morality can go together. It is only at some critical moment, this
                                        distinction does come into play and there of course, 'dharma' takes
                                        priority over morality.
                                        >
                                        > The discussion on this orginated by reference to China. We need to
                                        learn the good things from China or for that matter from any
                                        developed or developing nation. They have adoted the art of nation
                                        building and economic development very seriously. If that economic
                                        edifice has been supported by their culture and society, then there
                                        is something in them for us to learn.
                                        >
                                        > On the contrary, we (in the sense, majority of good indians) are
                                        carrying legacy of the past and basking in the glory of the
                                        tradition. Here Sri Sri Thakur makes a difference. He makes a new
                                        beginning. He brought science and spirituality together. Today, if
                                        Indians have to really take pride for their glorious past, they have
                                        to carry the present prophet in the forefront.
                                        >
                                        > Following the current, contemporaty and latest Prophet is the acid
                                        test of our cultural strength. If that is not happening, then we need
                                        to be afraid that our culture is corroded. We are carrying the dry
                                        log of an once-mighty tree.
                                        >
                                        > Dear brothers, let us put our acts together and reflect: can we
                                        bring about a cultural regeneration, keeping Sri Sri Thakur as the
                                        Ideal? In Sri Sri Thakur's ideology, everything has a harmonious
                                        place.
                                        >
                                        > May I request my brothers to give me their mailing address, I would
                                        be glad to send a book to them. It is "Rolling Existence and its
                                        Pivot", authoured and published by me, of course by His grace.
                                        >
                                        > I personally believe, we all intellectuals have a duty to
                                        do 'jaajan' throug literature. Mass spread of literature can, if at
                                        all does, bring about a mass awareness about Sri Sri Thakur and His
                                        grand ideology.
                                        >
                                        > Jaiguru to all my esteemed brothers. I am in Mumbai. My telephone
                                        no. is 9820132213. I am involved in organizing some kind of Satsang
                                        activities at Mumbai, in a very limited way. If I can do any service
                                        to any body in promoting Sri Sri Thakur's interst, I am available.
                                        Pl. call me.
                                        >
                                        > May the Lord lead the way.
                                        >
                                        > Regards,
                                        >
                                        > DC Patra
                                        >
                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: Vagabond India [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                        > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:04 PM
                                        > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Re: Indian Text Books
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > dear sir,
                                        >
                                        > True, discipline & committment are not material things....They r
                                        only means, not end in themselves. If we have to admire anyone for
                                        discipline & committment only then we can admire the Al-Qayda & the
                                        Taliban.. !!! Look, how committed they are ! Just a group of
                                        individuals challenging the might of the most powerful nation !! We
                                        satsangees are not even upto their ankles in committment, discipline
                                        & willingness to sacrifice all for the cause !!!!!!
                                        >
                                        > Discipline & committment or any other 'means' are meaningless until
                                        & unless they are used for spiritual awakening,i.e. for the
                                        Sadguru....
                                        >
                                        > Morality and spiritual awakening may not co-exist. Many many times
                                        there are conflicts between morality & "dharm"( call of spiritual
                                        awakening). Then we have to choose the later. Sri Sri Thakur ji has
                                        illustrated it beatifully in the last passage of "Amiya- Vani" (
                                        collection by Ashwini Kr. Biswas)... (The Hindi version is "Amiya-
                                        Varta")
                                        >
                                        > Bhism had vowed to be loyal to the throne always. It was his moral
                                        duty to do so. So, he ended up favouring Duryodhana inspite of
                                        knowing that he was doing wrong things. On the other hand, Sri
                                        Krishna had vowed that He will not take up arms in the battle of
                                        Mahabharat. Keeping the vow was His moral duty.
                                        >
                                        > The battle began. Despite the lecture of Gita and all efforts of
                                        Sri Krishna, Arjun was not able to forcefully attack Bhisma as he
                                        loved & revered him a lot. He was not mustering his all strength.
                                        When Sri Krishna saw that Arjun is not listening, He got
                                        angry, "broke His vow" and picked up a chariot-wheel to kill Bhisma
                                        himself. Bhisma, being a man of fine calibre, saw Krishna breaking
                                        morality to favour the TRUTH, the spiritual dharm.....!!! he
                                        immediately realised his own mistake and also that Sri Krishna is the
                                        Purushottama...the Superman.. or Bhagwan !! He surrendered then &
                                        there. Had Bhisma been spiritually more awakened he wd have saved
                                        India from the destruction of Mahabharat by transcending morality to
                                        favour the Dharm.
                                        >
                                        > Karn did the same thing. Morally he was an ideal friend of
                                        Duryodhana..always supporting him. But the truth is that he never
                                        tried to make Duryodhana understand that going aginst the wish of Sri
                                        Krishna is adharma !!
                                        >
                                        > Suppose, Mr. Mohan has peomised to meet someone at 9 a.m. It is his
                                        moral duty to keep the promise. But if Sri Sri Thakurji calls him at
                                        8.55 he MUST forget that moral duty. In other words, he must
                                        TRANSCEND morality. Sri Ram killed Bali, sent Sita to jungle due a
                                        washerman's complaint !! In both these cases He transcended morality
                                        and established Dharm. Was it not Buddha's moral duty to take care of
                                        His wife & son ??? It was, but He had come to set up an example of
                                        spiritual demands being superior to morality.
                                        >
                                        > I DONT MEAN to say that morality and dharm are ALWAYS
                                        contradictary. I merely mean that spiritual awakening enables to be
                                        moral AS LONG AS it supports 'dharma'.
                                        >
                                        > The Chinese are moral, discipline and committed. But to a wrong
                                        cause. ( i dont mean here each & every chinese,,, Confucious was
                                        different) Raavan & Kans were also disciplined & committed... but
                                        against the Prophet !!
                                        >
                                        > Entire Europe is perhaps more moral, disciplined & committed than
                                        us. Nice, very nice. But its of no use if not used for spiritual
                                        awakening... the " Trishna ka Ekant nirvan...Mahachetansamutthan"(
                                        Sri Sri Thakurji)
                                        > love
                                        > vagabondindia
                                        >
                                        > TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                                        > I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                                        > u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China to
                                        become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and
                                        disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because morality
                                        is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not
                                        exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and
                                        disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their own
                                        way.
                                        >
                                        > Jay guru
                                        > TarunB
                                        >
                                        > vagabondindia <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Dear Tarun da,
                                        >
                                        > Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely given
                                        > the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in His
                                        > precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                                        > minutest of details.
                                        >
                                        > I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                                        > thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow examples
                                        > of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats the
                                        > use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in the
                                        > main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                                        > awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                                        > surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The
                                        chinese
                                        > & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier
                                        carnal
                                        > desires...They r limited to the physical level.
                                        >
                                        > Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                                        > them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of india's
                                        > " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats the
                                        > last hope too !!
                                        >
                                        > Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.
                                        >
                                        > Vagabondindia
                                        >
                                        > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS
                                        <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                        > wrote:
                                        > > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                        > >
                                        > > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                                        > given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in
                                        broader
                                        > sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify our
                                        > system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                                        > society.
                                        > > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to change
                                        > the education system.
                                        > > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                                        > Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                        > > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from
                                        very
                                        > school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated
                                        people
                                        > so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                                        > spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children
                                        are
                                        > very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School
                                        Environment
                                        > is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                                        > search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the ideal
                                        > school than Mandir.
                                        > > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                                        > > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field of
                                        > life?
                                        > > think............. think
                                        > > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the
                                        right
                                        > way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.
                                        > >
                                        > > Joy guru
                                        > > tarunB
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                        > > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                        > >
                                        > > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                        > > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                        > > agree that till now.
                                        > > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                        > > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                        > > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                        > > things to the others.
                                        > >
                                        > > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                        > > most urgent work.
                                        > >
                                        > > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                        > > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                        > > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                        > > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                        > >
                                        > > Joyguru
                                        > >
                                        > > Rajarshi
                                        > >
                                        > > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                        > > > training. The urge of
                                        > > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                        > > > that a student can
                                        > > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                        > > > very little to
                                        > > > comment.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                        > > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                        > > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                        > > > latest prophet.
                                        > > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                        > > > guidelines.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                        > > > of Buddhism as he
                                        > > > did not portray it properly.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                        > > > Mogul emperor as he
                                        > > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                        > > > to these comments. It
                                        > > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                        > > > was based on
                                        > > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                        > > > from the very day of
                                        > > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                        > > > immediate factors
                                        > > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                        > > > faults!
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                        > > > that one points ot
                                        > > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Jai Guru.
                                        > > > Dr. Jena
                                        > > >
                                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                        > > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dear All,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                        > > > so-called saffronisation
                                        > > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                        > > > Minister Arjun
                                        > > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                        > > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                        > > > Thakurji can we all
                                        > > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                        > > >
                                        > > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
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                                        > > >
                                        > > > Vnade Purushottamam !
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                                      • vagabondindia
                                        What I have written in my previous posting (below) as the essential prerequistes of development are actually a summary of Sri Sri Thakur Anukulchandra ji s
                                        Message 19 of 23 , Aug 27, 2004
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                                          What I have written in my previous posting (below) as the "essential
                                          prerequistes" of development are actually a summary of Sri Sri Thakur
                                          Anukulchandra ji's PANCHVARHI & SAPTAARCHI. Please refer to that.
                                          Thanks.

                                          vagabondindia

                                          --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "vagabondindia"
                                          <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
                                          > Very true. Without the present Prophet, no true development is
                                          > poosible.
                                          >
                                          > The so-called "developed nations" of today are "developed" only in
                                          > material consumption an fulfilling the baser desires. They have
                                          been
                                          > successful in providing ample opprotunity to all their citizens in
                                          > material growth and arousal of animal instincts. Their growth
                                          started
                                          > with the Industrial Revolution. And, now,just within 200-300 years
                                          > they have brought the human civilization & the world to the brink
                                          of
                                          > annihilation !!! Unhibited Consumption of natural resources,
                                          > tremndous generation of waste (general+chemical fertilisers
                                          > +industrial+nuclear) and exploitation of the weak on the economic,
                                          > social & religious fronts are the hallmarks of the
                                          > modern "development". Land, water, air...all have got polluted.
                                          Then,
                                          > there is the mental pollution. Dominance,thoughts,deeds & products
                                          of
                                          > asuric forces & tamasik tendencies release a kind of very strong
                                          > negative vibration which has dangerously disturbed the subtle
                                          > atmosphere of our planet. Evn the electro-magnetic field is
                                          > disturbed. It retards spiritual growth & encourages the complexes-
                                          > Kaam, Krodh, mad ,moh, lobh & matsraya etc. The "sukshm Chetna" of
                                          > earth has become polluted & disturbed.
                                          >
                                          > In Puranic terms, the "devatas" have become deprived of
                                          > their "havis"...thie share of the yajna. Wheras the "Asuras" are
                                          > getting full nourishment !! Thats why there is & has been a
                                          > phenomenal growth of negative( taamasik)deeds in recent decades.
                                          This
                                          > is a rush towards death.
                                          >
                                          > Our vision & perception is getting coloured by the lure of material
                                          > riches. Just look at the IT guys for example... running to
                                          America !!
                                          > Jumping into the well of hell !!
                                          >
                                          > On the other hand we r carrying the "dead log of the once-might
                                          tree"
                                          > as you have beautifully put it. Now, the time has come for us to
                                          > correct our weeknesses and re-activate the Saatvik forces to
                                          correct
                                          > the imbalances in nature,within ourselves & out as well. Lets
                                          advance
                                          > in science & technology but not with present one... rather with an
                                          > ORGANIC ..nature-friendly technology. We will have airplanes, cars
                                          &
                                          > evrything, perhaps more advanced... but not made of & exploiting
                                          > nature. Lets obey Nature to conquer it !!
                                          >
                                          > This science-technology is & has been already there. Sri Sri
                                          Thakurji
                                          > has shown the way. Lets follow HIM.
                                          >
                                          > U have said that...the west & the Chinese etc."have adoted the art
                                          of
                                          > nation building and economic development very seriously. If that
                                          > economic edifice has been supported by their culture and society,
                                          > then there is something in them for us to learn."
                                          >
                                          > I only want to say that the above is not new to India. It is a part
                                          > of our legacy.
                                          >
                                          > As far as Nation is concerned, you know very well what Sri Sri
                                          Thakur
                                          > ji has said. "Desh" comes from "Aadesh" (order) which is given by
                                          > the "Aadarsh" ( Ideal)."Ek aadeshe chole jaara, taadei niye samaj
                                          > gara".. the society is formed by unitying under ONE IDEAL. Now, if
                                          > this IDEAL is not the Present Prophet, the society will
                                          disintegrate
                                          > & no real development will take place.
                                          >
                                          > Secondly, "Nationalism is the measles of mankind". Lets remeber
                                          that
                                          > the so called boundaries of nations are detriments in development &
                                          > growth of the human society. What we need is the the revival of
                                          > ORGANIC STATES (sort of democratic kingdoms, ruled by the King but
                                          > bound by the decision of the spiritually awakened ones. They are
                                          not
                                          > small countries. They are just states of a specific type of people
                                          &
                                          > culture with free flow of people from one state to another. Havnt
                                          we
                                          > noticed how languages (even the same one), dialects & snaskriti of
                                          > the Indians change after every 5 miles perhaps !!!! Such a rich
                                          > diversity !!! Wow !! remember, there were so many small kingdoms in
                                          > the past.... But Aray Bharatvarsha was one with ONE CHAKRAVARTY
                                          > SAMRAT. Full autonomy. Full democracy of the real kind. Real
                                          democray
                                          > is "Vox dei Vox populi" nor "vox populi Vox dei". ( Vox populi=
                                          voice
                                          > of people; Vox dei= voice of devtaas)
                                          >
                                          > Economic development will automatically come once we have correct
                                          > genetic material in humans and devotion to the Present Prophet..
                                          the
                                          > Latest "Manu" ( Law giver) Sri Sri Thakur ji.
                                          >
                                          > Economic growth is important but NOT AN ESSENTIAL PRE-REQUISITE.
                                          >
                                          > The essential pre-requistes are:
                                          >
                                          > 1. Initiation & sincere efforts to actively follow the Present
                                          > Prophet.
                                          >
                                          > 2. Accepting that GOD is ONE and all Past Prophets are expressions
                                          of
                                          > the SAME. The Present Prophet is the consummation of all the
                                          previous
                                          > ones. And that this chain of Prophets will continue in future as
                                          well.
                                          > None of them is the last one. Respect to the great saints of the
                                          > world as well.
                                          >
                                          > 3. Dharm is one. opinion can be many. Conversion is no version of
                                          > religion.
                                          >
                                          > 4. Establishment of Varnashramic principles of marriage. Removal of
                                          > Pratilom marriage & inbreeding.
                                          >
                                          > 5. Establishment of the correct Ideal (aims) of life & Education on
                                          > the principles of the Sanatan Dharma.
                                          >
                                          > All other things are secondary and will automatically follow.
                                          > Including economic growth, discipline, committment etc. etc.
                                          >
                                          > Vande Purushottamam !!
                                          >
                                          > vagbondindia
                                          >
                                          > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "patra dc" <patradc@b...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > > Good anlalysis.
                                          > >
                                          > > However, it is all very fine level of distinction.Both 'dharma'
                                          and
                                          > morality can go together. It is only at some critical moment, this
                                          > distinction does come into play and there of course, 'dharma' takes
                                          > priority over morality.
                                          > >
                                          > > The discussion on this orginated by reference to China. We need
                                          to
                                          > learn the good things from China or for that matter from any
                                          > developed or developing nation. They have adoted the art of nation
                                          > building and economic development very seriously. If that economic
                                          > edifice has been supported by their culture and society, then there
                                          > is something in them for us to learn.
                                          > >
                                          > > On the contrary, we (in the sense, majority of good indians) are
                                          > carrying legacy of the past and basking in the glory of the
                                          > tradition. Here Sri Sri Thakur makes a difference. He makes a new
                                          > beginning. He brought science and spirituality together. Today, if
                                          > Indians have to really take pride for their glorious past, they
                                          have
                                          > to carry the present prophet in the forefront.
                                          > >
                                          > > Following the current, contemporaty and latest Prophet is the
                                          acid
                                          > test of our cultural strength. If that is not happening, then we
                                          need
                                          > to be afraid that our culture is corroded. We are carrying the dry
                                          > log of an once-mighty tree.
                                          > >
                                          > > Dear brothers, let us put our acts together and reflect: can we
                                          > bring about a cultural regeneration, keeping Sri Sri Thakur as the
                                          > Ideal? In Sri Sri Thakur's ideology, everything has a harmonious
                                          > place.
                                          > >
                                          > > May I request my brothers to give me their mailing address, I
                                          would
                                          > be glad to send a book to them. It is "Rolling Existence and its
                                          > Pivot", authoured and published by me, of course by His grace.
                                          > >
                                          > > I personally believe, we all intellectuals have a duty to
                                          > do 'jaajan' throug literature. Mass spread of literature can, if at
                                          > all does, bring about a mass awareness about Sri Sri Thakur and His
                                          > grand ideology.
                                          > >
                                          > > Jaiguru to all my esteemed brothers. I am in Mumbai. My telephone
                                          > no. is 9820132213. I am involved in organizing some kind of Satsang
                                          > activities at Mumbai, in a very limited way. If I can do any
                                          service
                                          > to any body in promoting Sri Sri Thakur's interst, I am available.
                                          > Pl. call me.
                                          > >
                                          > > May the Lord lead the way.
                                          > >
                                          > > Regards,
                                          > >
                                          > > DC Patra
                                          > >
                                          > > -----Original Message-----
                                          > > From: Vagabond India [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                          > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:04 PM
                                          > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Re: Indian Text Books
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > dear sir,
                                          > >
                                          > > True, discipline & committment are not material things....They r
                                          > only means, not end in themselves. If we have to admire anyone for
                                          > discipline & committment only then we can admire the Al-Qayda & the
                                          > Taliban.. !!! Look, how committed they are ! Just a group of
                                          > individuals challenging the might of the most powerful nation !! We
                                          > satsangees are not even upto their ankles in committment,
                                          discipline
                                          > & willingness to sacrifice all for the cause !!!!!!
                                          > >
                                          > > Discipline & committment or any other 'means' are meaningless
                                          until
                                          > & unless they are used for spiritual awakening,i.e. for the
                                          > Sadguru....
                                          > >
                                          > > Morality and spiritual awakening may not co-exist. Many many
                                          times
                                          > there are conflicts between morality & "dharm"( call of spiritual
                                          > awakening). Then we have to choose the later. Sri Sri Thakur ji has
                                          > illustrated it beatifully in the last passage of "Amiya- Vani" (
                                          > collection by Ashwini Kr. Biswas)... (The Hindi version is "Amiya-
                                          > Varta")
                                          > >
                                          > > Bhism had vowed to be loyal to the throne always. It was his
                                          moral
                                          > duty to do so. So, he ended up favouring Duryodhana inspite of
                                          > knowing that he was doing wrong things. On the other hand, Sri
                                          > Krishna had vowed that He will not take up arms in the battle of
                                          > Mahabharat. Keeping the vow was His moral duty.
                                          > >
                                          > > The battle began. Despite the lecture of Gita and all efforts of
                                          > Sri Krishna, Arjun was not able to forcefully attack Bhisma as he
                                          > loved & revered him a lot. He was not mustering his all strength.
                                          > When Sri Krishna saw that Arjun is not listening, He got
                                          > angry, "broke His vow" and picked up a chariot-wheel to kill Bhisma
                                          > himself. Bhisma, being a man of fine calibre, saw Krishna breaking
                                          > morality to favour the TRUTH, the spiritual dharm.....!!! he
                                          > immediately realised his own mistake and also that Sri Krishna is
                                          the
                                          > Purushottama...the Superman.. or Bhagwan !! He surrendered then &
                                          > there. Had Bhisma been spiritually more awakened he wd have saved
                                          > India from the destruction of Mahabharat by transcending morality
                                          to
                                          > favour the Dharm.
                                          > >
                                          > > Karn did the same thing. Morally he was an ideal friend of
                                          > Duryodhana..always supporting him. But the truth is that he never
                                          > tried to make Duryodhana understand that going aginst the wish of
                                          Sri
                                          > Krishna is adharma !!
                                          > >
                                          > > Suppose, Mr. Mohan has peomised to meet someone at 9 a.m. It is
                                          his
                                          > moral duty to keep the promise. But if Sri Sri Thakurji calls him
                                          at
                                          > 8.55 he MUST forget that moral duty. In other words, he must
                                          > TRANSCEND morality. Sri Ram killed Bali, sent Sita to jungle due a
                                          > washerman's complaint !! In both these cases He transcended
                                          morality
                                          > and established Dharm. Was it not Buddha's moral duty to take care
                                          of
                                          > His wife & son ??? It was, but He had come to set up an example of
                                          > spiritual demands being superior to morality.
                                          > >
                                          > > I DONT MEAN to say that morality and dharm are ALWAYS
                                          > contradictary. I merely mean that spiritual awakening enables to be
                                          > moral AS LONG AS it supports 'dharma'.
                                          > >
                                          > > The Chinese are moral, discipline and committed. But to a wrong
                                          > cause. ( i dont mean here each & every chinese,,, Confucious was
                                          > different) Raavan & Kans were also disciplined & committed... but
                                          > against the Prophet !!
                                          > >
                                          > > Entire Europe is perhaps more moral, disciplined & committed than
                                          > us. Nice, very nice. But its of no use if not used for spiritual
                                          > awakening... the " Trishna ka Ekant nirvan...Mahachetansamutthan"(
                                          > Sri Sri Thakurji)
                                          > > love
                                          > > vagabondindia
                                          > >
                                          > > TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > fine, later we will discuss how it could be implemented.
                                          > > I have no reservation regarding china or any..................
                                          > > u have mentioned 'Discipline' and 'Commitment' followed by China
                                          to
                                          > become the leader.Those r not the 'material' word. A commited and
                                          > disciplined man can not be considered as demoralised because
                                          morality
                                          > is the source of commitment and discipline. And morality can not
                                          > exist without spiritual realisation. That means a committed and
                                          > disciplined man must have spiritual realisation, may be in their
                                          own
                                          > way.
                                          > >
                                          > > Jay guru
                                          > > TarunB
                                          > >
                                          > > vagabondindia <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Dear Tarun da,
                                          > >
                                          > > Very good thoughts, indeed. Sri sri Thakur ji has not merely
                                          given
                                          > > the "outline" of the education system... He has left nothing in
                                          His
                                          > > precription !!! We have each & every material ready!! down to
                                          > > minutest of details.
                                          > >
                                          > > I have reservation on nur china example. I shudder with the mere
                                          > > thought of India going the China way !! Its nice to follow
                                          examples
                                          > > of discipline & committment. But lets not mention china. Whats
                                          the
                                          > > use of material growth & olympic medals when one is failing in
                                          the
                                          > > main purpose of life.... thats of spiritual awakening.... the
                                          > > awakening of consciousness... to grow & move towards complete
                                          > > surrender of the Self at the feet of the SUPREME LORD.... The
                                          > chinese
                                          > > & most of the mongoloid races simply excel in fulfillinf thier
                                          > carnal
                                          > > desires...They r limited to the physical level.
                                          > >
                                          > > Even in this fallen state, we Indo-Aryans are much much ahead of
                                          > > them. As Sri Sri Thakur ji said, even one remaining drop of
                                          india's
                                          > > " Sanatani pragya(prajna)" is enough to save the world & thats
                                          the
                                          > > last hope too !!
                                          > >
                                          > > Rest of what u hv said is also what i feel.
                                          > >
                                          > > Vagabondindia
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS
                                          > <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > > > Joy guru to my all gurubhai,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I am absoletely agree with the jena da that SriSri Thakur have
                                          > > given the outline of our education system. I am taking it in
                                          > broader
                                          > > sense that no system should not be standstill.We have to modify
                                          our
                                          > > system accordingly to fulfil the increasing requirements of the
                                          > > society.
                                          > > > I do not think only increasing initiations can infuence to
                                          change
                                          > > the education system.
                                          > > > We have to start it from grass root level. we should follow the
                                          > > Activity of Ram Krishna Mission at some extent.
                                          > > > I beleive initiation can be done properly and effectively from
                                          > very
                                          > > school level.Children can be teached by initiated and educated
                                          > people
                                          > > so that they can learn and acustomed from very childhood with our
                                          > > spiritual culture, Yoga, and more good things. I noticed children
                                          > are
                                          > > very much influenced by his/her school teacher. As School
                                          > Environment
                                          > > is regarded as the ideal place for character build up and talent
                                          > > search and develop, we should be more attentive to build the
                                          ideal
                                          > > school than Mandir.
                                          > > > We should think seriously our defects and drawbacks,
                                          > > > Do you tell me why China is so forward than us in every field
                                          of
                                          > > life?
                                          > > > think............. think
                                          > > > It is not so easy to find the answer. I am also searching the
                                          > right
                                          > > way being enlightened by SriSri Thakur.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Joy guru
                                          > > > tarunB
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Rajarshi Roy <raj_roy12@y...> wrote:
                                          > > > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                          > > > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                          > > > agree that till now.
                                          > > > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                          > > > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                          > > > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                          > > > things to the others.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                          > > > most urgent work.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                          > > > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                          > > > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                          > > > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Joyguru
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Rajarshi
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                          > > > > training. The urge of
                                          > > > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                          > > > > that a student can
                                          > > > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                          > > > > very little to
                                          > > > > comment.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                          > > > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                          > > > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                          > > > > latest prophet.
                                          > > > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                          > > > > guidelines.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                          > > > > of Buddhism as he
                                          > > > > did not portray it properly.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                          > > > > Mogul emperor as he
                                          > > > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                          > > > > to these comments. It
                                          > > > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                          > > > > was based on
                                          > > > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                          > > > > from the very day of
                                          > > > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                          > > > > immediate factors
                                          > > > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                          > > > > faults!
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                          > > > > that one points ot
                                          > > > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Jai Guru.
                                          > > > > Dr. Jena
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                          > > > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                          > > > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Dear All,
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                          > > > > so-called saffronisation
                                          > > > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                          > > > > Minister Arjun
                                          > > > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                          > > > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                          > > > > Thakurji can we all
                                          > > > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                          > > > > have ur considered
                                          > > > > thoughts on the matter.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Vnade Purushottamam !
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                                          Ur idea is excillent. May i ask some questions? will there be any electricity? will there be any modern hospital? will they(Student) be taught computer
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                                            Ur idea is excillent.
                                             
                                            May i ask some questions?
                                            will there be any electricity?
                                            will there be any modern hospital?
                                            will they(Student) be taught computer application?
                                            tarunb

                                            vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:
                                            Dear Dr. Jena ( & all),

                                            Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to
                                            show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                                            automatically start demanding it.Sri Sri Thakurji wanted to do
                                            precisely this by setting up of Tapovan school and Shandilya
                                            University. We have their drafts.

                                            Lets start from the ground level. There r many among satsangees & non-
                                            satsangees as well who are looking for a Gurukul-type school to send
                                            their children. But lets note that the outer packaging of the project
                                            shoud be world-class & up-to date.
                                            1.Lets prepare a project,say with power-point presentation.
                                            2. I am sure we can find people who can lease us land for the
                                            purpose. about 5 to 10 acres in a serene natural setting prefrably in
                                            Uttaranchal, northern UP (himalyanregion) or on the banks of river
                                            narmada in M.P. ( ideally around Onkareshwar).
                                            2. Then we can build the minimal of structures like the ashrams of
                                            the Vedic age ( with some modern amenities like toilets). ALl organic
                                            & natural. No syntheic materials like cement etc. With original vastu
                                            principles.cottage quarters for the teachers who will be able to stay
                                            wth their families.
                                            3. Farming ( say herbs & horticulture) gaushalas will be there.
                                            4. Prayer & meditation halls.
                                            5. Library
                                            6.There will be no classrooms. And no examinations at all. Teaching
                                            will include the modern syllbus of,say, NCERT. But, we will also
                                            include  teaching  Amarkosh, Panini's grammar, Sanskrit, the scinces
                                            & technologies of our ancient texts as well. Sri Sri Thakurji's
                                            books, Paramhans's, Gita, Quran, Bible all. English also. Mother
                                            tongue plus one more language. Hindi for Souh indians and tamil for
                                            north indians. Sri Sri Thakurji's 3 language formula !!
                                            7. There will be no teaching like "teaching". No student shud feel
                                            that he is being taught ! every teacher ( guru) will be personally
                                            take charge of a limited no. of shishyaa. The students will work in
                                            the farm, gaushalas, conduct yajnas (the sacred threadwill be a must
                                            to begin education).
                                            8. We will tie up with some lowly private school so that these
                                            students can appear in their examinations and secure the modern
                                            certificates. It wont take more than 5 to 6 years for our students to
                                            pass 10th !!
                                            9. We can get even foreign students to come & stay with us for a
                                            month or so. Just to see. we have the necessary contacts & network
                                            ready for this.

                                            These r just my scattered thoughts. the plans are ready though. We
                                            need people like u to actively help us.

                                            Respected Dada, we can begin with even 3 teachers & 10-15 students.
                                            Our institution can get huge publicity on national & international
                                            level. Then we can take the bigger step of setting up of Shandilya
                                            University.

                                            Funds are no problem. What we lack is committed gurubhais who can
                                            sacrifice theirs worldly gains to achieve these universal gains!!!!

                                            Vande Purushottamam !!
                                            vagabondindia

                                            --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                            > Yes, agreed.
                                            > Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the
                                            light of
                                            > Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry for
                                            > debate and discussion?
                                            > Dr. Jena
                                            >
                                            > -----Original Message-----
                                            > From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@y...]
                                            > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                                            > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                            >
                                            > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                            > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                            > agree that till now.
                                            > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                            > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                            > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                            > things to the others.
                                            >
                                            > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                            > most urgent work.
                                            >
                                            > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                            > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                            > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                            > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                            >
                                            > Joyguru
                                            >
                                            > Rajarshi
                                            >
                                            > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                            > > training. The urge of
                                            > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                            > > that a student can
                                            > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                            > > very little to
                                            > > comment.
                                            > >
                                            > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                            > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                            > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                            > > latest prophet.
                                            > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                            > > guidelines.
                                            > >
                                            > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                            > > of Buddhism as he
                                            > > did not portray it properly.
                                            > >
                                            > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                            > > Mogul emperor as he
                                            > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                            > >
                                            > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                            > > to these comments. It
                                            > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                            > > was based on
                                            > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                            > > from the very day of
                                            > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                            > > immediate factors
                                            > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                            > > faults!
                                            > >
                                            > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                            > > that one points ot
                                            > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                            > >
                                            > > Jai Guru.
                                            > > Dr. Jena
                                            > >
                                            > > -----Original Message-----
                                            > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                            > >
                                            > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                            > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                            > >
                                            > > Dear All,
                                            > >
                                            > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                            > > so-called saffronisation
                                            > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                            > > Minister Arjun
                                            > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                            > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                            > >
                                            > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                            > > Thakurji can we all
                                            > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                            > >
                                            > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                            > > have ur considered
                                            > > thoughts on the matter.
                                            > >
                                            > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                                            > > vagabondindia
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                                          • T K Jena
                                            Dear Brothers, The proposal is nice. But the issue will be in execution as most of us will find it difficult to join as ateacher. Hence, the real issue will
                                            Message 21 of 23 , Aug 30, 2004
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                                              Dear Brothers,

                                               

                                              The proposal is nice. But the issue will be in execution as most of us will find it difficult to join as  ateacher. Hence, the real issue will be in identifying the teachers. If it succeeds, it will definitely be a land mark.

                                               

                                              But the issue I am proposing is to have a proposal in black and white highlighting the policies. Yes, power point presentation etc. is required when we present the case. But a proposal for wider circulation to arise awareness of existence of such a thing and the starting point for national debate and discussion is also essential.

                                               

                                              What I mean, we have to work at two levels. One at demonstration of feasibility and the other for logical sustainability and long term outcome. The draft available for Tapovan Vidyalaya and Shandhilya University could be the starting point for the exercise.

                                               

                                              I will be happy if I can share the above drafts you have mentioned.

                                               

                                              Jai Guru.

                                              Dr. Jena

                                               

                                               

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: TARUN BISWAS [mailto:tarunbiswas@...]
                                              Sent:
                                              Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:26 PM
                                              To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Re: Indian Text Books

                                               

                                              Ur idea is excillent.

                                               

                                              May i ask some questions?

                                              will there be any electricity?

                                              will there be any modern hospital?

                                              will they(Student) be taught computer application?

                                              tarunb


                                              vagabondindia <vagabondindia@...> wrote:

                                              Dear Dr. Jena ( & all),

                                              Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to
                                              show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                                              automatically start demanding it.Sri Sri Thakurji wanted to do
                                              precisely this by setting up of Tapovan school and Shandilya
                                              University. We have their drafts.

                                              Lets start from the ground level. There r many among satsangees & non-
                                              satsangees as well who are looking for a Gurukul-type school to send
                                              their children. But lets note that the outer packaging of the project
                                              shoud be world-class & up-to date.
                                              1.Lets prepare a project,say with power-point presentation.
                                              2. I am sure we can find people who can lease us land for the
                                              purpose. about 5 to 10 acres in a serene natural setting prefrably in
                                              Uttaranchal, northern UP (himalyanregion) or on the banks of river
                                              narmada in M.P. ( ideally around Onkareshwar).
                                              2. Then we can build the minimal of structures like the ashrams of
                                              the Vedic age ( with some modern amenities like toilets). ALl organic
                                              & natural. No syntheic materials like cement etc. With original vastu
                                              principles.cottage quarters for the teachers who will be able to stay
                                              wth their families.
                                              3. Farming ( say herbs & horticulture) gaushalas will be there.
                                              4. Prayer & meditation halls.
                                              5. Library
                                              6.There will be no classrooms. And no examinations at all. Teaching
                                              will include the modern syllbus of,say, NCERT. But, we will also
                                              include  teaching  Amarkosh, Panini's grammar, Sanskrit, the scinces
                                              & technologies of our ancient texts as well. Sri Sri Thakurji's
                                              books, Paramhans's, Gita, Quran, Bible all. English also. Mother
                                              tongue plus one more language. Hindi for Souh indians and tamil for
                                              north indians. Sri Sri Thakurji's 3 language formula !!
                                              7. There will be no teaching like "teaching". No student shud feel
                                              that he is being taught ! every teacher ( guru) will be personally
                                              take charge of a limited no. of shishyaa. The students will work in
                                              the farm, gaushalas, conduct yajnas (the sacred threadwill be a must
                                              to begin education).
                                              8. We will tie up with some lowly private school so that these
                                              students can appear in their examinations and secure the modern
                                              certificates. It wont take more than 5 to 6 years for our students to
                                              pass 10th !!
                                              9. We can get even foreign students to come & stay with us for a
                                              month or so. Just to see. we have the necessary contacts & network
                                              ready for this.

                                              These r just my scattered thoughts. the plans are ready though. We
                                              need people like u to actively help us.

                                              Respected Dada, we can begin with even 3 teachers & 10-15 students.
                                              Our institution can get huge publicity on national & international
                                              level. Then we can take the bigger step of setting up of Shandilya
                                              University.

                                              Funds are no problem. What we lack is committed gurubhais who can
                                              sacrifice theirs worldly gains to achieve these universal gains!!!!

                                              Vande Purushottamam !!
                                              vagabondindia

                                              --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "
                                              T K Jena" <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                              > Yes, agreed.
                                              > Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the
                                              light of
                                              > Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry for
                                              > debate and discussion?
                                              > Dr. Jena
                                              >
                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@y...]
                                              > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                                              > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                              >
                                              > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                              > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                              > agree that till now.
                                              > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                              > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                              > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                              > things to the others.
                                              >
                                              > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                              > most urgent work.
                                              >
                                              > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                              > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                              > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                              > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                              >
                                              > Joyguru
                                              >
                                              > Rajarshi
                                              >
                                              > ---
                                              T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                              > > training. The urge of
                                              > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                              > > that a student can
                                              > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                              > > very little to
                                              > > comment.
                                              > >
                                              > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                              > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                              > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                              > > latest prophet.
                                              > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                              > > guidelines.
                                              > >
                                              > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                              > > of Buddhism as he
                                              > > did not portray it properly.
                                              > >
                                              > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                              > > Mogul emperor as he
                                              > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                              > >
                                              > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                              > > to these comments. It
                                              > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                              > > was based on
                                              > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                              > > from the very day of
                                              > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                              > > immediate factors
                                              > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                              > > faults!
                                              > >
                                              > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                              > > that one points ot
                                              > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                              > >
                                              > > Jai Guru.
                                              > > Dr. Jena
                                              > >
                                              > > -----Original Message-----
                                              > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                              > >
                                              > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                              > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                              > >
                                              > > Dear All,
                                              > >
                                              > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                              > > so-called saffronisation
                                              > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                              > > Minister Arjun
                                              > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                              > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                              > >
                                              > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                              > > Thakurji can we all
                                              > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                              > >
                                              > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
                                              > > have ur considered
                                              > > thoughts on the matter.
                                              > >
                                              > > Vnade Purushottamam !
                                              > > vagabondindia
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > 
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                                              > >
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                                            • vagabondindia
                                              Dear Dr. Jena, We do not need to join as teachers. Our responsibility is to organize the things. I have names of 3 persons who can be the first teachers. 2 of
                                              Message 22 of 23 , Aug 30, 2004
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                                                Dear Dr. Jena,

                                                We do not need to join as teachers. Our responsibility is to organize
                                                the things. I have names of 3 persons who can be the first teachers.
                                                2 of them are senior Satsangees (60+), Vipra, have excellent record
                                                as teachers and r into spiritual life. Both of them r SPRs. The third
                                                person is a also a Vipra, a satsangee, in teaching profession. around
                                                45 and on the path of sadhna. To begin with these 3 r enough. to add,
                                                of these 3, 1 is from Bengal, 1 from Orissa & the othr one from
                                                Bihar. Then we can a visiting faculty.

                                                Ur idea of the proposal in black white is excellent. To begin with,
                                                a compilation, classification & indexing (word & subject index) of
                                                Sri Sri Thakurji's sayings on the subjects can be taken up. they shud
                                                also be translated into Hindi & English.

                                                But, at the end of it who will implement it ??? Exactly as Sri Sri
                                                Thakurji want ?? The political leaders ? NCERTS or CBSE ? Or any
                                                school board ??? We must know whom do we expect to implement the
                                                plan. I feel no one wd do it. In tit-bits maybe.

                                                There is no need for a national debate on the subject. What Sri Sri
                                                Thakur ji has decided is the final word. Yes, we need to make people
                                                aware. Still, then again..... WHO will imlpement it ??? Anyway, what
                                                purpose do these modern national debates serve ??? They r fruitless.
                                                Democracy is a humbug. Lets follow HIM WHERE THE TRUTH IS
                                                REVEALED.THE LORD is the dicatator.

                                                LETS DO IT OURSELVES. Lets not depend upon anyone. Look at the
                                                Christian missionaries. Did they require to create awareness about
                                                their modus operandi ?? Did they submit a proposal to the govt. ?
                                                They just started schools. People were impressed & flocked to them.
                                                Convent education became a status symbol.

                                                People of this country know what Gurukul method is all about. Our
                                                agenda will be publicized thru ads. There is no dearth of people who
                                                wl send their kids. We will ourself pick up children of good
                                                genetical wealth & heredity. We just need 20-30 students to begin.
                                                Then, be sure... Sri Sri Thakurji's system will spread like
                                                wildfire!!!!! So, lets do it.

                                                I didnt mean to say that I have some "written draft" of tapovan or
                                                Shandilya Univ. What HE has said is the draft. Though I guess there
                                                might be a draft fot the Shandilya University. Perhaps in Boral
                                                Bungalow. Maybe Rev. Debi da can enlighten us on the matter. But this
                                                can wait.

                                                Lets do it.

                                                vagabondindia

                                                --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                                > Dear Brothers,
                                                The proposal is nice. But the issue will be in execution as most of us
                                                > will find it difficult to join as ateacher. Hence, the real issue
                                                will be in identifying the teachers. If it succeeds, it will
                                                definitely be a
                                                > land mark.
                                                But the issue I am proposing is to have a proposal in black and white
                                                > highlighting the policies. Yes, power point presentation etc. is
                                                > required when we present the case. But a proposal for wider
                                                circulation
                                                > to arise awareness of existence of such a thing and the starting
                                                point
                                                > for national debate and discussion is also essential.
                                                What I mean, we have to work at two levels. One at demonstration of
                                                > feasibility and the other for logical sustainability and long term
                                                > outcome. The draft available for Tapovan Vidyalaya and Shandhilya
                                                > University could be the starting point for the exercise.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > I will be happy if I can share the above drafts you have mentioned.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Jai Guru.
                                                >
                                                > Dr. Jena
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > -----Original Message-----
                                                > From: TARUN BISWAS [mailto:tarunbiswas@y...]
                                                > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:26 PM
                                                > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Subject: Re: [latestprophet] Re: Indian Text Books
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Ur idea is excillent.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > May i ask some questions?
                                                >
                                                > will there be any electricity?
                                                >
                                                > will there be any modern hospital?
                                                >
                                                > will they(Student) be taught computer application?
                                                >
                                                > tarunb
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > vagabondindia <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Dear Dr. Jena ( & all),
                                                >
                                                > Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to
                                                > show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                                                > automatically start demanding it.Sri Sri Thakurji wanted to do
                                                > precisely this by setting up of Tapovan school and Shandilya
                                                > University. We have their drafts.
                                                >
                                                > Lets start from the ground level. There r many among satsangees &
                                                non-
                                                > satsangees as well who are looking for a Gurukul-type school to
                                                send
                                                > their children. But lets note that the outer packaging of the
                                                project
                                                > shoud be world-class & up-to date.
                                                > 1.Lets prepare a project,say with power-point presentation.
                                                > 2. I am sure we can find people who can lease us land for the
                                                > purpose. about 5 to 10 acres in a serene natural setting prefrably
                                                in
                                                > Uttaranchal, northern UP (himalyanregion) or on the banks of river
                                                > narmada in M.P. ( ideally around Onkareshwar).
                                                > 2. Then we can build the minimal of structures like the ashrams of
                                                > the Vedic age ( with some modern amenities like toilets). ALl
                                                organic
                                                > & natural. No syntheic materials like cement etc. With original
                                                vastu
                                                > principles.cottage quarters for the teachers who will be able to
                                                stay
                                                > wth their families.
                                                > 3. Farming ( say herbs & horticulture) gaushalas will be there.
                                                > 4. Prayer & meditation halls.
                                                > 5. Library
                                                > 6.There will be no classrooms. And no examinations at all. Teaching
                                                > will include the modern syllbus of,say, NCERT. But, we will also
                                                > include teaching Amarkosh, Panini's grammar, Sanskrit, the
                                                scinces
                                                > & technologies of our ancient texts as well. Sri Sri Thakurji's
                                                > books, Paramhans's, Gita, Quran, Bible all. English also. Mother
                                                > tongue plus one more language. Hindi for Souh indians and tamil for
                                                > north indians. Sri Sri Thakurji's 3 language formula !!
                                                > 7. There will be no teaching like "teaching". No student shud feel
                                                > that he is being taught ! every teacher ( guru) will be personally
                                                > take charge of a limited no. of shishyaa. The students will work in
                                                > the farm, gaushalas, conduct yajnas (the sacred threadwill be a
                                                must
                                                > to begin education).
                                                > 8. We will tie up with some lowly private school so that these
                                                > students can appear in their examinations and secure the modern
                                                > certificates. It wont take more than 5 to 6 years for our students
                                                to
                                                > pass 10th !!
                                                > 9. We can get even foreign students to come & stay with us for a
                                                > month or so. Just to see. we have the necessary contacts & network
                                                > ready for this.
                                                >
                                                > These r just my scattered thoughts. the plans are ready though. We
                                                > need people like u to actively help us.
                                                >
                                                > Respected Dada, we can begin with even 3 teachers & 10-15 students.
                                                > Our institution can get huge publicity on national & international
                                                > level. Then we can take the bigger step of setting up of Shandilya
                                                > University.
                                                >
                                                > Funds are no problem. What we lack is committed gurubhais who can
                                                > sacrifice theirs worldly gains to achieve these universal gains!!!!
                                                >
                                                > Vande Purushottamam !!
                                                > vagabondindia
                                                >
                                                > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...>
                                                wrote:
                                                > > Yes, agreed.
                                                > > Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the
                                                > light of
                                                > > Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry
                                                for
                                                > > debate and discussion?
                                                > > Dr. Jena
                                                > >
                                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                                > > From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@y...]
                                                > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                                                > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                                > >
                                                > > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                                > > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                                > > agree that till now.
                                                > > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                                > > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                                > > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                                > > things to the others.
                                                > >
                                                > > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                                > > most urgent work.
                                                > >
                                                > > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                                > > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                                > > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                                > > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                                > >
                                                > > Joyguru
                                                > >
                                                > > Rajarshi
                                                > >
                                                > > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                                > > > training. The urge of
                                                > > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                                > > > that a student can
                                                > > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                                > > > very little to
                                                > > > comment.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                                > > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                                > > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                                > > > latest prophet.
                                                > > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                                > > > guidelines.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                                > > > of Buddhism as he
                                                > > > did not portray it properly.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                                > > > Mogul emperor as he
                                                > > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                                > > > to these comments. It
                                                > > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                                > > > was based on
                                                > > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                                > > > from the very day of
                                                > > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                                > > > immediate factors
                                                > > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                                > > > faults!
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                                                > > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                                > > > that one points ot
                                                > > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Jai Guru.
                                                > > > Dr. Jena
                                                > > >
                                                > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                > > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
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                                                > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
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                                                Dear brother, 1. Yes, there will be electricity. Becuase the vedic gurukuls of ancient india had various types of electricity. Modern science is in infancy. We
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                                                  Dear brother,

                                                  1. Yes, there will be electricity. Becuase the vedic gurukuls of
                                                  ancient india had various types of electricity. Modern science is in
                                                  infancy.

                                                  We will also strive to find new & easier ways to produce electricity.
                                                  For example, Sri Sri Thakur ji has said that there is a layer inside
                                                  the earth by tapping which we supply electricity to the entire world,
                                                  uninterrupted, eco-friendly & free of cost !! He also wanted to tap
                                                  the lightenings.

                                                  We will also work on the "Anshu-Bodhini" shastra ( science of solar
                                                  power) of Maharshi Bharadwaj. It shows dozens of ways to generate
                                                  energy. Lets also not forget about the solar science of Swami
                                                  Vishuddhanand of Varanasi. The crystals can be another source of
                                                  tapping solar power.The secret caves of tibet has in them many
                                                  crystal bulbs which r permanent bulbs since centuries. The reason for
                                                  their secrecy was they did not want such advanced technologies to
                                                  fall into the hands of materialistic civilizations of asuric
                                                  tendencies.

                                                  2. Modern hospital ?? Yes. But much better. Indian medical science is
                                                  too super for the modern medical science to undrstand. We just need
                                                  to put that into practice.

                                                  It was not long ago... i have the exact date....when royal medical
                                                  society of london was laughing at a papaer presented by Mr. holwell
                                                  saying that the pundits of Benaras say that certain dieseses like pox
                                                  r spread by "invisible micro-organisms" !!!! How could there be
                                                  invisible organisms !!!!! They made a mockery of the yearly
                                                  innoculations performed by the expersts of allahabad & benaras
                                                  against measles & chicken pox !! Later, bacteria was discovered in
                                                  the west, Jenner developed the vaccination. The British BANNED the
                                                  Indian system to implement their own.

                                                  Just 150-200 years ago the West didnt even know about antiseptics !!!
                                                  We Indians know form thousands of years !!!!

                                                  They why we r so backward today ???? Because we spineless Indians
                                                  forgot our own sciences and adopted (+forced to adopt)The Western
                                                  methods.Later, Macaulay put the final nail in the indian coffin. We
                                                  had become spineless because of collpase of Varnashram.

                                                  3. computer application ?? Of course, yes. But not to promote
                                                  computers. One needs to be master of the bad things also to remove
                                                  them

                                                  But the students will be equipped not to depend on computers for what
                                                  their brain can do. Spiritual sadhna can enable one's brain to have
                                                  phenomenal powers.

                                                  Human brain has amazing powers. Awakening of consciouness increases
                                                  the range of perceptive faculties. Eyes start seeing beyond the
                                                  visible band of spectrum, ears can hear bettr and so on & so forth...!

                                                  " Spiritualism is investigation & invention of by which matter
                                                  extends & grows." - Sri Sri Thakurji ( Message Vol I) <, check for
                                                  exact saying pls>>

                                                  vagabondindia

                                                  --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, TARUN BISWAS <tarunbiswas@y...>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  > Ur idea is excillent.
                                                  >
                                                  > May i ask some questions?
                                                  > will there be any electricity?
                                                  > will there be any modern hospital?
                                                  > will they(Student) be taught computer application?
                                                  >
                                                  > tarunb
                                                  >
                                                  > vagabondindia <vagabondindia@y...> wrote:
                                                  > Dear Dr. Jena ( & all),
                                                  >
                                                  > Before we proceed to draft an education policy for India we need to
                                                  > show practical example. So that the govt. & the public will
                                                  > automatically start demanding it.Sri Sri Thakurji wanted to do
                                                  > precisely this by setting up of Tapovan school and Shandilya
                                                  > University. We have their drafts.
                                                  >
                                                  > Lets start from the ground level. There r many among satsangees &
                                                  non-
                                                  > satsangees as well who are looking for a Gurukul-type school to
                                                  send
                                                  > their children. But lets note that the outer packaging of the
                                                  project
                                                  > shoud be world-class & up-to date.
                                                  > 1.Lets prepare a project,say with power-point presentation.
                                                  > 2. I am sure we can find people who can lease us land for the
                                                  > purpose. about 5 to 10 acres in a serene natural setting prefrably
                                                  in
                                                  > Uttaranchal, northern UP (himalyanregion) or on the banks of river
                                                  > narmada in M.P. ( ideally around Onkareshwar).
                                                  > 2. Then we can build the minimal of structures like the ashrams of
                                                  > the Vedic age ( with some modern amenities like toilets). ALl
                                                  organic
                                                  > & natural. No syntheic materials like cement etc. With original
                                                  vastu
                                                  > principles.cottage quarters for the teachers who will be able to
                                                  stay
                                                  > wth their families.
                                                  > 3. Farming ( say herbs & horticulture) gaushalas will be there.
                                                  > 4. Prayer & meditation halls.
                                                  > 5. Library
                                                  > 6.There will be no classrooms. And no examinations at all. Teaching
                                                  > will include the modern syllbus of,say, NCERT. But, we will also
                                                  > include teaching Amarkosh, Panini's grammar, Sanskrit, the
                                                  scinces
                                                  > & technologies of our ancient texts as well. Sri Sri Thakurji's
                                                  > books, Paramhans's, Gita, Quran, Bible all. English also. Mother
                                                  > tongue plus one more language. Hindi for Souh indians and tamil for
                                                  > north indians. Sri Sri Thakurji's 3 language formula !!
                                                  > 7. There will be no teaching like "teaching". No student shud feel
                                                  > that he is being taught ! every teacher ( guru) will be personally
                                                  > take charge of a limited no. of shishyaa. The students will work in
                                                  > the farm, gaushalas, conduct yajnas (the sacred threadwill be a
                                                  must
                                                  > to begin education).
                                                  > 8. We will tie up with some lowly private school so that these
                                                  > students can appear in their examinations and secure the modern
                                                  > certificates. It wont take more than 5 to 6 years for our students
                                                  to
                                                  > pass 10th !!
                                                  > 9. We can get even foreign students to come & stay with us for a
                                                  > month or so. Just to see. we have the necessary contacts & network
                                                  > ready for this.
                                                  >
                                                  > These r just my scattered thoughts. the plans are ready though. We
                                                  > need people like u to actively help us.
                                                  >
                                                  > Respected Dada, we can begin with even 3 teachers & 10-15 students.
                                                  > Our institution can get huge publicity on national & international
                                                  > level. Then we can take the bigger step of setting up of Shandilya
                                                  > University.
                                                  >
                                                  > Funds are no problem. What we lack is committed gurubhais who can
                                                  > sacrifice theirs worldly gains to achieve these universal gains!!!!
                                                  >
                                                  > Vande Purushottamam !!
                                                  > vagabondindia
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In latestprophet@yahoogroups.com, "T K Jena" <tkjena@i...>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  > > Yes, agreed.
                                                  > > Can some one draft a parallel education policy for India in the
                                                  > light of
                                                  > > Thakur's guidelines so that it could be put to the HRD ministry
                                                  for
                                                  > > debate and discussion?
                                                  > > Dr. Jena
                                                  > >
                                                  > > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > > From: Rajarshi Roy [mailto:raj_roy12@y...]
                                                  > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:46 PM
                                                  > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > > Subject: RE: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Joyguru to Jena da and other gurubhais,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Whatever you've mentioned it is extremely perfect. But
                                                  > > unfortunately so called educated mass is not ready to
                                                  > > agree that till now.
                                                  > > But I believe once we grow i.e. number of initiated
                                                  > > people will reach upto a considerable amount of
                                                  > > population then we'll be in a position to explain this
                                                  > > things to the others.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > So at present no of Quality people's initiation is the
                                                  > > most urgent work.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > But we, who have taken initiation at the early age of
                                                  > > our life ,have greater responsibility to achieve this.
                                                  > > All of us should devote sometimes to read the
                                                  > > literature of sri sri thakur.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Joyguru
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Rajarshi
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- T K Jena <tkjena@i...> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > > Thakur's education policy is based on practical
                                                  > > > training. The urge of
                                                  > > > love to teacher determines the depth of knowledge
                                                  > > > that a student can
                                                  > > > achieve. So, in the contemporary education, it has
                                                  > > > very little to
                                                  > > > comment.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > As far as content of syllabus in the light of
                                                  > > > Thakur, a curriculum
                                                  > > > designer must be a follower of a prophet and ideally
                                                  > > > latest prophet.
                                                  > > > History should be re-written in the Thakur's
                                                  > > > guidelines.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Thakur tells, Ashok was responsible for the downfall
                                                  > > > of Buddhism as he
                                                  > > > did not portray it properly.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Thakur tells, Akbar was the cause of downfall of
                                                  > > > Mogul emperor as he
                                                  > > > introduced the Pratiloma marriage.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Do you think the present day historians will agree
                                                  > > > to these comments. It
                                                  > > > will be just a matter of laughter! Thakur's approach
                                                  > > > was based on
                                                  > > > genetic principles. He traces the cause of downfall
                                                  > > > from the very day of
                                                  > > > the sowing of the seed. He does not deny the roll of
                                                  > > > immediate factors
                                                  > > > but emphasis is on the germination phase of the
                                                  > > > faults!
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > I personally find, it is meaningless effort except
                                                  > > > that one points ot
                                                  > > > the mistake of other without knowing what is right.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Jai Guru.
                                                  > > > Dr. Jena
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > > > From: vagabondindia [mailto:vagabondindia@y...]
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:56 PM
                                                  > > > To: latestprophet@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > > > Subject: [latestprophet] Indian Text Books
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Dear All,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > A big controversy is going on regarding the
                                                  > > > so-called saffronisation
                                                  > > > and de-toxification of the Indian text books. HRD
                                                  > > > Minister Arjun
                                                  > > > Singh is in the news. So was his predecessor Dr.
                                                  > > > Murli Manohar Joshi.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Now, in the context of the path shown by Sri Sri
                                                  > > > Thakurji can we all
                                                  > > > share our opinions on this matter ?
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > So, you all requested to come forward and let us
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                                                  > > > thoughts on the matter.
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                                                  > > > Vnade Purushottamam !
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