Re: [ArizonaScanner] info Re: FDNY radio system
- Thanks for posting this report I have been following this for some time
now. It is interesting to note that NYC has done the following as a
first move: They went back to using UHF frequencies!!! That's an
interesting idea! And the switched to this new modulation system called
ANALOG!!! Hey this could save a few lives this year!
I hope someone with the ear of the big boys in Phoenix Government gets
them to understand they place the lived of the men and woman of PFD into
Motorola's hands every time a truck rolls as well as the lives and
safety of every EMS & PPD officer every time a call is responded to or a
stop is made!!
I HAVE YET TO HEAR WHAT THE CITY OF PHOENIX AND ITS SISTER CITIES HAS AS
A COMMUNICATIONS BACKUP SYSTEM, HAVE YOU???
Oh, interesting to note no other communications company was mentioned
in the FDNY report except the big M??? I wonder what 100 sharp VHF Ham
Radio types could do to help FDNY if set loose with a bag full of money,
all the help they wanted or needed to be able to communicate from every
skyscraper, every subway , tunnel and crack in the sidewalk with an HT.
Boy would I like to be on that team!
Let's see . . . . . Leaky Coax Antennas in every Tunnel and Subway. All
buildings over 10 floors must have a building repeater (that is a good
idea they have there), every fireman's HT talks to his truck's mobile
We could hire a 24/7 staff of "Scanner Radio Monitors" based in a
facility with the very best in scanning receiver equipment, the best of
any antenna needed, all the scanning info they can use and all they do
is listen for all the other stuff no one else cares about like input
frequencies to repeaters, simplex frequencies, ask questions like have
you heard the Division 2 repeater 12 on the air in the last 2 hours?
Lets test it!! Boy would that be a scanner listeners dream and you
would get paid too!
> >From the FDNY dept magazine WNYF its rather long...
> >From the Commissioner
> Let me take this opportunity to discuss in detail one of the most
> initiatives the FDNY is working on: radio communications. In
> discussing our
> plans, I will try to clear the air about any misconceptions there
> might be
> regarding the current status of our communications initiatives -- an
> issue I
> know is on the minds of nearly every member of the department.
> We have devoted a great deal of time in the past six months to meeting
> the mayor, top comm specialists, the experts on our Terrorism
> Task Force and even the military contractors about the departments comm
> difficulties. We also have created a team of officers, senior chiefs and
> other advisers dedicated to working full time on comm initiatives.
> Out of those meetings have come two fundamental conclusions:
> 1) Its not the radios. Its the comm system -- a system whose problems
> must be
> address with the long-term development of a reliable & redundant comm
> infrastructure that boosts our radio signals.
> 2) Nobody in the world in fact has been able to develop such an
> infrastructure that is 100% reliable -- especially in high rise
> buildings and
> "sub grade" locations like tunnels subways & basements.
> We have formulated short and long term plans to create such comm
> networks for
> the fire dept. And those plans already are being implemented. The
> first step
> concerns our handheld radios. Much has been written about the
> performance of
> the radios on and after 9/11, but I must stress that the radios
> are only a small part of a much larger solution. Under most
> our radios work fine, however without an adequate system of signal
> or repeaters, those radios cannot provide reliable communications in high
> rise bldgs and sub grade locations. Such signal boosting devices are
> essential because no handheld radio has the power to reliably
> penetrate the
> large amounts of steel, concrete & other materials present in tall
> bldgs and
> underground facilities.
> This past spring, the dept began pilot testing converted Motorola XTS3500
> radios, first at the fire academy and soon thereafter in Divisions
> around New
> York. These radios have a number of benefits: they operate on UHF,
> have more
> available frequencies & recently were converted from digital to analog to
> better address our needs in the field. The XTS3500 also gives us the
> to communicate with FDNY EMS & NYPD along with other agencies, as well
> as tap
> into pre existing communication infrastructures.
> Satisfied with the results of our initial small scale tests, we deployed
> XTS3500's to the entire borough of Staten Island in a pilot program to
> their performance in actual firefighting operations. We also conducted
> weekend testing of these radios in other Divisions & are working in a
> analysis of the XTS3500's performance in the field.
> The preliminary results of this borough wide testing have been
> We are however, still analyzing the data from our tests and working with
> Motorola to address some issue's that have been raised by the
> firefighters &
> officers responsible for testing the radios. At this time, we
> anticipate full
> deployment of these radios as early as January 2003.
> As the new radios are deployed, so will a system of enhanced cross band
> repeaters, fixed in Battalion cars to facilitate flexible positioning
> at the
> scene. Using these vehicular cross band repeaters in conjunction with
> portable command post radios will provide strong backup to the command
> channel. But like the radios, these vehicular cross band repeaters
> will be
> only part of a much larger solution.
> Mobile high watt signal boosters ultimately will supplement fixed
> communications technology, which will, in time, be the core of our
> reliable &
> redundant network. To develop this fixed comm network, we have pursued a
> number of different options -- many of which work together to form a
> robust network.
> We have been working with the police dept to examine whether certain
> of their communications infrastructure can be used by the fire dept.
> tests already have shown that the police dept's citywide
> infrastructure of
> transmitters and receivers could help the fire dept with its comms at
> incidents involving high rise bldgs.
> But the police dept's infrastructure still doesn't always provide the
> of in bldg coverage that the fire dept needs. That's why we've also been
> working with the Bldg Owners Managment Assoction (BOMA) and the dept
> of bldgs
> World Trade Center Task Force to improve in bldg emergency comm standards.
> It became clear on 9/11 that all high rise bldgs should be required to
> fixed comm technology that the fire dept & other responding agencies can
> utilize in case of emergencies. The fire dept is pursuing legislation
> requiring all high rise bldgs to install first responder compatible
> systems. Fire dept senior officials, Mayor Bloomberg & some city council
> members already have expressed an interest in advancing that kind of
> legislation. We are optimistic that our work with both BOMA and the
> dept of
> Bldgs WTC Task Force will yield positive results.
> The MTA also is working on a program to resolve comm difficulties in
> by installing bi-directional antennae & boosters throughout the subway
> system. We have been working with the MTA to ensure that our comm
> is compatible with the equipment they are installing. The MTA program
> is part
> of a larger effort to address other comm dead spots in public spaces
> such as
> subways, tunnels, & large train stations like Grand Central & Penn
> We will continue to work with the city to ensure that we have consistent
> signal coverage in these spaces.
> In sum, we have been working hard to address the issues regarding
> radios &
> comms within the dept. While this is a highly complex & technological
> to which there is no single answer, we are committed to providing all
> of the FDNY with the best communications system available. Nothing
> less is
> Nicholas Scoppetta
> Fire Commissioner