Re: [Antir_culinary] Guild name
- The Worshipful Company of Cooks is from a period source in the mid-15th century (according to the source reported below)I think it would depend on what country and time period you are discussing.Did they widely form guilds in Period? Period is a lot of years.The royal kitchens is an interesting idea.I think there are some interesting models here.Which country or time period should we look at?I have some interesting pieces from Italy. We also have Chiquart from the French traditions.Thoughts?EduardoOn Apr 21, 2011, at 2:07 PM, wheezul@... wrote:
First a question - did cooks form guilds in the SCA period? It seems to
me that they were retained as servants in lower classed households but in
noble courts held an important supervisory position as the master cook,
but it wasn't as if, like butchers, bakers and candlestick makers, in
business for themselves selling wares. I don't know though - does anyone
have reference of a cooks guild?
I don't mind having a guild even if there isn't precedence for one, but
just typing out loud, what would it look like if we tried to structure
ourselves as a part of the royal court kitchen since as a kingdom guild we
would have have TRM's patronage? Perhaps there could be a competition for
the 'top chef' spot that gets some cool regalia for the year. Have our
'kitchen' separated into different specialties and provide challenges
through these areas with a bling thing when passing them?
I really like the idea of a sable kettle award. It ties the past to the
present very nicely.
> I personally like both, the more historical and the nod to the historical
> Kingdom guild. Perhaps we should actually post a poll and let the numbers
> as there may well be others who haven't spoken up but feel strongly one
> way or
> the other.
> In joyous service,
> Who's enjoying all the discussion and progress! :)
> From: David Walddon <david@...>
> To: Antir_culinary@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 8:28:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Antir_culinary] Guild name
> How about
> The Worshipful Company of Victualers
> The Worshipful Company of Cooks
> While I still like The Sable Kettle because it goes to the history of
> AnTir and
> I am happy to go with a more "period sounding name".
> But don't forget it is the SCA so period for one is not for another. In
> that is why an SCA type name might be better.
> On Apr 21, 2011, at 3:07 AM, FV/Rafaella wrote:
>>I *dislike* the name Sable Kettle (both as a herald and a cook). Not
>> enough to
>>campaign against it per se, but enough to bring it up early in this
>> process, so
>>I'll say my piece here and accept the majority opinion.
>>I understand why it's being proposed but I would really like something
>> more in
>>line with historical naming practices of guilds/groups.
>>Here's a good list of said groups:
>>I like the "Worshipful Company..." pattern myself, but "Worshipful
>> Company of
>>Foodys" is probably not a good name. :-)
>>Mia dos centavos.
>Guilds and livery companies (14th century +) were more properly attributed to the professions, such as cooks, bakers, and pastlers/pastry-cook rather than the jobs they did...
> Worshipful Companies are neat, or we could use one of the other terms. Fellowship, or Fraternity/Fraternitas. Personally Iâm a fan of Gild. Perhaps Gild of Cookry?
I rather like both as they are both historically documented and cover a fairly large time-frame... "guild" being more commonly known however.
Not sure about going with a fraternity due to it's more obvious ties to religion regardless of craft.