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  • RSBrenchley@aol.com
    Message 1 of 15 , May 1 3:18 PM
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      <<May be assumed some of you found a website below, given the media
      attention, which was oddly short-lived. North American media sources seem to have
      selected the worst quality images from the spectacular array you will find
      here. An absolute barrage of unanalyzed skepticism informed innocent
      viewers this all had to be, indeed it must be a gigantic hoax.

      Or is it? The ancient wooden chambers revealed are authentic and the only
      question in my mind is where, or in what country are they situated? Nor can
      I find a reason to doubt the explorers; they are not amateurs but
      accomplished climbers with excellent documentation. Who cares that they are
      religious, or agnostic ? >>

      Here's the other side of the story. Believe what you will, I know what I
      think.
      _http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update/
      _
      (http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update/) .

      Regards,

      Robert Brenchley
      Birmingham UK


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    • bergendelperon
      Hello Robert, Yes I saw Prof. Randall s expostulations at several sites now and all that he has to do, to support his allegations, would be to present a
      Message 2 of 15 , May 1 6:22 PM
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        Hello Robert,

        Yes I saw Prof. Randall's expostulations at several sites now and all that he has to do, to support his allegations, would be to present a collection of photographs showing the True Location of the other team's chamber interiors. That is why I wondered, where were the interior photos really taken? Because that is an interesting old structure.

        Also obtain a testimonial from some of the Kurdish workers who... drove up this mountain in a truck... to the snowline? They must have been paid to do this. But we only see two beams in the video... hardly impressive. Where are the rest?

        The snowline there is at 3800 meters+, so I could really use a truck like that here in Canada!
        Since Randall alleges fraud, counter-evidence is required to support this. It is serious.

        Bergen


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        --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, RSBrenchley@... wrote:
        >
        > <<May be assumed some of you found a website below, given the media
        > attention, which was oddly short-lived. North American media sources seem to have
        > selected the worst quality images from the spectacular array you will find
        > here. An absolute barrage of unanalyzed skepticism informed innocent
        > viewers this all had to be, indeed it must be a gigantic hoax.
        >
        > Or is it? The ancient wooden chambers revealed are authentic and the only
        > question in my mind is where, or in what country are they situated? Nor can
        > I find a reason to doubt the explorers; they are not amateurs but
        > accomplished climbers with excellent documentation. Who cares that they are
        > religious, or agnostic ? >>
        >
        > Here's the other side of the story. Believe what you will, I know what I
        > think.
        > _http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update/
        > _
        > (http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2010/04/noahs-ark-paleobabble-update/) .
        >
        > Regards,
        >
        > Robert Brenchley
        > Birmingham UK
        >
        >
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        >
      • RSBrenchley@aol.com
        Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to
        Message 3 of 15 , May 2 12:49 PM
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          <<Since Randall alleges fraud, counter-evidence is required to support
          this. It is serious.

          Bergen>>

          Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to newspaper scans,
          is needed to support the original claims?

          Regards,

          Robert Brenchley
          Birmingham UK


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        • bergendelperon
          Robert, Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video
          Message 4 of 15 , May 2 2:12 PM
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            Robert,

            Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :

            http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/

            But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrBLXcFGeM

            In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters... better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.

            Bergen


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            RS Brenchley wrote:

            > Bergen>>
            > Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to newspaper scans,
            > is needed to support the original claims?
            >
            > Regards,
            >
            > Robert Brenchley
            > Birmingham UK
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
          • JosefF
            One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the archeologists was giving odds; I m sure it has nothing to do with him being
            Message 5 of 15 , May 2 3:03 PM
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              One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the "archeologists" was giving odds; I'm sure it has nothing to do with him being Chinese.

              He was offering 1000 to 1 (99.9%). Personally, I'd bet against for even odds.

              Seems to me if anybody really believes this stuff they would put up a little money.

              Wonder who did the C14 analysis, maybe there's a home test kit out.

              Regards

              --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "bergendelperon" <bergendelperon@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > Robert,
              >
              > Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :
              >
              > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/
              >
              > But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?
              >
              > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrBLXcFGeM
              >
              > In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters... better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.
              >
              > Bergen
              >
              >
              > ******************************
              > RS Brenchley wrote:
              >
              > > Bergen>>
              > > Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to newspaper scans,
              > > is needed to support the original claims?
              > >
              > > Regards,
              > >
              > > Robert Brenchley
              > > Birmingham UK
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              >
            • JosefF
              There is more of an effort by archeologists to refute idiotic claims that was the case in the past. For example,
              Message 6 of 15 , May 3 8:39 AM
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                There is more of an effort by archeologists to refute idiotic claims that was the case in the past.

                For example, http://robertcargill.com/2010/04/28/no-you-didnt-find-noahs-ark/

                Regards

                --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "JosefF" <josefifriedman@...> wrote:
                >
                > One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the "archeologists" was giving odds; I'm sure it has nothing to do with him being Chinese.
                >
                > He was offering 1000 to 1 (99.9%). Personally, I'd bet against for even odds.
                >
                > Seems to me if anybody really believes this stuff they would put up a little money.
                >
                > Wonder who did the C14 analysis, maybe there's a home test kit out.
                >
                > Regards
                >
                > --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "bergendelperon" <bergendelperon@> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > > Robert,
                > >
                > > Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :
                > >
                > > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/
                > >
                > > But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?
                > >
                > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrBLXcFGeM
                > >
                > > In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters... better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.
                > >
                > > Bergen
                > >
                > >
                > > ******************************
                > > RS Brenchley wrote:
                > >
                > > > Bergen>>
                > > > Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to newspaper scans,
                > > > is needed to support the original claims?
                > > >
                > > > Regards,
                > > >
                > > > Robert Brenchley
                > > > Birmingham UK
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • bergendelperon
                Hello Josef, Really I never considered the old claims idiotic ; some were compelling but they never established proof of any wooden ark. Before this is over,
                Message 7 of 15 , May 3 12:10 PM
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                  Hello Josef,

                  Really I never considered the old claims 'idiotic'; some were compelling but they never established proof of any wooden ark.

                  Before this is over, you will see reams of desperate refutation by academics, not only archeologists but sociologists, biologists, cosmologists, paleontologists, geologists and theologians too. Many Western 'ologies' will squirm, because a system of knowledge is under attack; all those hitching hope upon Aristotle and Charles Darwin.

                  Government of Turkey owns the real estate and all archeology sites or relics that may be found there. Notice they are not refuting this*** One reason is that Turkish citizens, military engineers and their air force played a large role in the discovery, also university specialists who are named with affiliations.

                  Read the small print carefully; only 6 evangelists participated in the latest climb and they did not drill this excavation trench, which goes 5 or 6 feet into solid glacier. Click over the right upper image :

                  http://www.noahsarksearch.net/images/press/20100426_odn.jpg

                  Wonder how much more material will be shown, or what else they found.

                  Bergen


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                  Josef F wrote:
                  There is more of an effort by archeologists to refute idiotic claims that was the case in the past.
                  >
                  > For example, http://robertcargill.com/2010/04/28/no-you-didnt-find-noahs-ark/
                  >
                  > Regards
                  >
                  > --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "JosefF" <josefifriedman@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the "archeologists" was giving odds; I'm sure it has nothing to do with him being Chinese.
                  > >
                  > > He was offering 1000 to 1 (99.9%). Personally, I'd bet against for even odds.
                  > >
                  > > Seems to me if anybody really believes this stuff they would put up a little money.
                  > >
                  > > Wonder who did the C14 analysis, maybe there's a home test kit out.
                  > >
                  > > Regards
                  > >
                  > > --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, "bergendelperon" <bergendelperon@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Robert,
                  > > >
                  > > > Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :
                  > > >
                  > > > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/
                  > > >
                  > > > But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?
                  > > >
                  > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrBLXcFGeM
                  > > >
                  In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters... better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.

                  > > > Bergen
                • Ian Onvlee
                  Hi Bergen, Josef, Turkey will not complain since the publicity stunt is good for tourism. Who would not want to spend his vacation with a view on the Ararat
                  Message 8 of 15 , May 3 4:00 PM
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                    Hi Bergen, Josef,

                    Turkey will not complain since the publicity stunt is good for tourism. Who would not want to spend his vacation with a view on the Ararat with the alleged real Ark of Noah, oowee. Let the cash flow.

                    I smell a rat. It's all too coincidental that the alleged Ark of Noah is said to be exactly like the Bible literally says: its date (circa 2850 BC?), its estimated height, its rectangleness (could such a structure ever float without rolling over and breaking in two?), its position on the top of the Ararat (are there any dead fish, oister shells and coral reefs etcetera found up there?), its division into two or three floors, nails to hook on animals with a rope. So what then happened to all those saved elephants, hippo's, rino's, gorilla's, urang utangs, girafs, cangaroos, polar bears, American buffaloos, camels, zebras, penguins, doodoos, African soldier ants, termites, bevers, leguanas, lions and crocodiles that supposedly came down from the Ararat (and so peacefully and orderly side by side)? Did they all just took a swim or a ferry all the way to Africa, Australia, America and the poles? No stray cangaroos or penguins left behind around
                    the Ararat?

                    Regards,
                    Ian Onvlee




                    ________________________________
                    From: bergendelperon <bergendelperon@...>
                    To: AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:26 PM
                    Subject: ABH Re: Remarkable Ancient Wood Discovery

                     


                    Hello Josef,

                    Really I never considered the old claims 'idiotic'; some were compelling but they never established proof of any wooden ark.

                    Before this is over, you will see reams of desperate refutation by academics, not only archeologists but sociologists, biologists, cosmologists, paleontologists, geologists and theologians too. Many Western 'ologies' will squirm, because a system of knowledge is under attack; all those hitching hope upon Aristotle and Charles Darwin.

                    Government of Turkey owns the real estate and all archeology sites or relics that may be found there. Notice they are not refuting this*** One reason is that Turkish citizens, military engineers and their air force played a large role in the discovery, also university specialists who are named with affiliations.

                    Read the small print carefully; only 6 evangelists participated in the latest climb and they did not drill this excavation trench, which goes 5 or 6 feet into solid glacier. Click over the right upper image :

                    http://www.noahsarksearch.net/images/press/20100426_odn.jpg

                    Wonder how much more material will be shown, or what else they found.

                    Bergen

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                    Josef F wrote:
                    There is more of an effort by archeologists to refute idiotic claims that was the case in the past.
                    >
                    > For example, http://robertcargill.com/2010/04/28/no-you-didnt-find-noahs-ark/
                    >
                    > Regards
                    >
                    > --- In AncientBibleHistory @yahoogroups. com, "JosefF" <josefifriedman@ > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the "archeologists" was giving odds; I'm sure it has nothing to do with him being Chinese.
                    > >
                    > > He was offering 1000 to 1 (99.9%). Personally, I'd bet against for even odds.
                    > >
                    > > Seems to me if anybody really believes this stuff they would put up a little money.
                    > >
                    > > Wonder who did the C14 analysis, maybe there's a home test kit out.
                    > >
                    > > Regards
                    > >
                    > > --- In AncientBibleHistory @yahoogroups. com, "bergendelperon" <bergendelperon@ > wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Robert,
                    > > >
                    > > > Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :
                    > > >
                    > > > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/
                    > > >
                    > > > But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?
                    > > >
                    > > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=6wrBLXcFGeM
                    > > >
                    In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters.. . better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.

                    > > > Bergen







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                  • JosefF
                    Hi, I can t find anything that remotely corrobates Bergen s statements about the Turks excavating the site. There were 15 people minus 6 Chinese minus one
                    Message 9 of 15 , May 3 6:03 PM
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                      Hi,

                      I can't find anything that remotely corrobates Bergen's statements about the Turks excavating the site. There were 15 people minus 6 Chinese minus one probably inebriated Kurdish guide leaves 8 possible people to dig the ark out. There is a Turkish air force pilot involved from the air, but I forget what his contribution was at the moment.

                      If there was significant Turkish participation, the actual location of the site wouldn't be very difficult to find.

                      There are pictures only of the inside of a structure that may very well be from a previous trip they made to the Black Sea.

                      The Chinese guys seemeed to be in control at the news conference. They said the place is a secret. The Turkish officials were local.

                      There is a Turkish official who is annoyed that the Chinese guys took a piece of wood out of Turkey.

                      The carbon testing turns out to have been done in Tehran. Where is a secret.

                      Regards


                      --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, Ian Onvlee <sambacats@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi Bergen, Josef,
                      >
                      > Turkey will not complain since the publicity stunt is good for tourism. Who would not want to spend his vacation with a view on the Ararat with the alleged real Ark of Noah, oowee. Let the cash flow.
                      >
                      > I smell a rat. It's all too coincidental that the alleged Ark of Noah is said to be exactly like the Bible literally says: its date (circa 2850 BC?), its estimated height, its rectangleness (could such a structure ever float without rolling over and breaking in two?), its position on the top of the Ararat (are there any dead fish, oister shells and coral reefs etcetera found up there?), its division into two or three floors, nails to hook on animals with a rope. So what then happened to all those saved elephants, hippo's, rino's, gorilla's, urang utangs, girafs, cangaroos, polar bears, American buffaloos, camels, zebras, penguins, doodoos, African soldier ants, termites, bevers, leguanas, lions and crocodiles that supposedly came down from the Ararat (and so peacefully and orderly side by side)? Did they all just took a swim or a ferry all the way to Africa, Australia, America and the poles? No stray cangaroos or penguins left behind around
                      > the Ararat?
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      > Ian Onvlee
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: bergendelperon <bergendelperon@...>
                      > To: AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 9:10:26 PM
                      > Subject: ABH Re: Remarkable Ancient Wood Discovery
                      >
                      >  
                      >
                      >
                      > Hello Josef,
                      >
                      > Really I never considered the old claims 'idiotic'; some were compelling but they never established proof of any wooden ark.
                      >
                      > Before this is over, you will see reams of desperate refutation by academics, not only archeologists but sociologists, biologists, cosmologists, paleontologists, geologists and theologians too. Many Western 'ologies' will squirm, because a system of knowledge is under attack; all those hitching hope upon Aristotle and Charles Darwin.
                      >
                      > Government of Turkey owns the real estate and all archeology sites or relics that may be found there. Notice they are not refuting this*** One reason is that Turkish citizens, military engineers and their air force played a large role in the discovery, also university specialists who are named with affiliations.
                      >
                      > Read the small print carefully; only 6 evangelists participated in the latest climb and they did not drill this excavation trench, which goes 5 or 6 feet into solid glacier. Click over the right upper image :
                      >
                      > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/images/press/20100426_odn.jpg
                      >
                      > Wonder how much more material will be shown, or what else they found.
                      >
                      > Bergen
                      >
                      > ************ ********* ***
                      > Josef F wrote:
                      > There is more of an effort by archeologists to refute idiotic claims that was the case in the past.
                      > >
                      > > For example, http://robertcargill.com/2010/04/28/no-you-didnt-find-noahs-ark/
                      > >
                      > > Regards
                      > >
                      > > --- In AncientBibleHistory @yahoogroups. com, "JosefF" <josefifriedman@ > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > One way this might be a little different than the usual find is that one of the "archeologists" was giving odds; I'm sure it has nothing to do with him being Chinese.
                      > > >
                      > > > He was offering 1000 to 1 (99.9%). Personally, I'd bet against for even odds.
                      > > >
                      > > > Seems to me if anybody really believes this stuff they would put up a little money.
                      > > >
                      > > > Wonder who did the C14 analysis, maybe there's a home test kit out.
                      > > >
                      > > > Regards
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In AncientBibleHistory @yahoogroups. com, "bergendelperon" <bergendelperon@ > wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Robert,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :
                      > > > >
                      > > > > http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/
                      > > > >
                      > > > > But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?
                      > > > >
                      > > > > http://www.youtube com/watch? v=6wrBLXcFGeM
                      > > > >
                      > In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is hardly less professional than many university presenters.. . better than many. If this is hoaxing, it is at genius level.
                      >
                      > > > > Bergen
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                    • bergendelperon
                      Robert and Josef, Since mention was made of another ark player, namely Rev. Randall Price, the following site may be of interest as to how the archeology
                      Message 10 of 15 , May 4 6:34 AM
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                        Robert and Josef,

                        Since mention was made of another ark player, namely Rev. Randall Price, the following site may be of interest as to how the archeology community received some of his past announcements :

                        http://asorblog.org/?p=84

                        And yes, there is always a place for intelligent skepticism and always the possibility of hoaxers in anything... but skeptics have not yet been able to show evidence that the Chinese-Turkish team is hoaxing.

                        If the Turkish government wishes to secret the GPS coordinates from the world 'community', that is their privilege as a sovereign regime.

                        Finally, the federal government official who complained about export of heritage material without full permission (only a regional government allowed this), is never the less acknowledging the find once again, indirectly.

                        This appears to be an authentic archeological discovery, so far.

                        Bergen




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                        --- In AncientBibleHistory@yahoogroups.com, RSBrenchley@... wrote:
                        >
                        > <<Since Randall alleges fraud, counter-evidence is required to support
                        > this. It is serious.
                        >
                        > Bergen>>
                        >
                        > Does it occur to you that serious evidence, as opposed to newspaper scans,
                        > is needed to support the original claims?
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        >
                        > Robert Brenchley
                        > Birmingham UK
                        >
                        >
                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        >
                      • RSBrenchley@aol.com
                        Message 11 of 15 , May 4 2:25 PM
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                          <<Robert,

                          Did you not take the trouble to scroll down the page, beneath the
                          newspaper scan to see all the photographs and enlarge them? Did you miss the video
                          collection at the lower right panel? Try it again :

                          _http://www.noahsarkhttp://www.http_ (http://www.noahsarksearch.net/eng/)

                          But here is a brief recap of the Press Conference with people speaking
                          reasonable English. Do you think they are all liars ? Gerrit Aalten?

                          _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_
                          (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrBLXcFGeM)

                          In spite of all past claims, looks like this team has finally delivered
                          the goods. For years I have been a skeptic on such claims, but this team is
                          hardly less professional than many university presenters..In spite of all
                          past claims, looks like this team has finally

                          Bergen>>

                          I haven't watched the video, simply because I this machine has a problem
                          with sound off the net. I did look at the rest. It would be very convincing,
                          if I wanted to be convinced. That's the thing. It needs to convince the
                          sceptical as well. I don't see anything there that couldn't be faked up, or
                          taken from a pic of something else. I've seen plenty of professionally
                          presented hoaxes over the years. Maybe it is as good as some university oral
                          presentations, but this is a written document, and I think we should expect
                          something which does more than skate over the surface.

                          Regards,

                          Robert Brenchley
                          Birmingham UK


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                        • RSBrenchley@aol.com
                          Message 12 of 15 , May 4 3:23 PM
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                            <<Read the small print carefully; only 6 evangelists participated in the
                            latest climb and they did not drill this excavation trench, which goes 5 or
                            6 feet into solid glacier. Click over the right upper image :

                            _http://www.noahsarkhttp://www.http://www.nohttp://wwhttp://_
                            (http://www.noahsarksearch.net/images/press/20100426_odn.jpg)

                            Wonder how much more material will be shown, or what else they found.

                            Bergen>>

                            If I'm ever going to believe any of this stuff, it will be when it's
                            reported by archaeologists in the accepted manner, not when it's reported by
                            fundamentalist evangelists, from whom I heard innumerable dodgy claims in the
                            days when I still listened to them.

                            In 1976, hill walking in Scotland, I found the remains of a crashed
                            aircraft. The location has to remain secret because of the sensational nature of
                            the discovery. I'm 99.9999% sure this is the remains of the Dove, Noah's
                            spotter plane.

                            Regards,

                            Robert Brenchley
                            Birmingham UK


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