RE: [AnTirYAC] Re: Retrofitting elbows and knees
- Hi Godfrey,
Well I am interested in seeing the information. Can you direct me to some
websites, etc. that detail the weapon construction and armor requirements
for these other groups? I am going to move this discussion to
An-Tir-YCRR@yahoogroups.com. Let's pick up the discussion over there.
I have armored up two boys and it is a great effort to keep them armored up.
Certainly, lots more can participate.
From: AnTirYAC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AnTirYAC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: [AnTirYAC] Re: Retrofitting elbows and knees
Well, simple addition of some foam added in with contact cement will
take care of that (though I do think the extra padding is a little
over the top considering the weapons are padded). I'm still of the
opinion that the weapon construction for YAC needs to be changed as
opposed to armouring up the kids the same as heavies. It's much
easier to change a sword than it is for a parent to upgrade armour on
I'd really like the the SCA YAC program look at the weapon
construction of other "FULL CONTACT" foam fighting groups (Dagorhir,
Belegarth, Darkon etc). These are weapons designed to be wielded by
ADULTS and used at full force against unarmoured opponents (excluding
head shots of course)
The weapon construction the SCA uses is almost the same as the "LOW
CONTACT" OR "TAP" fighting groups. It's very low tech and almost
laughable. Any of the "FULL CONTACT" groups will tell you that "pipe
insulation" foam is the worst stuff you can use, as it breaks down
gets "sweet" spots quickly. Duct tape also tends to compress the
foam and slaps any exposed skin. That and the fact you can not check
or repair any foam without completly destroying the sword. Where as
it's much easier to double check foam break down with a removable
Just my thoughts
PS...ya, Yahoo tends to screw up links all the time. You have to
copy/paste the whole line (it put the .jpg on the next line)
--- In AnTirYAC@yahoogroups.com, "hallgrimv" <hallgrim@...> wrote:
> Godfrey and Gentles All,
> I am not able to look at those pictures... it says they have been
> moved or deleted when I click on the link.
> From what you are describing it sounds like they still may not pass
> The ABCs say: "The elbow point and bones at either side of the
> joint must be covered by a rigid material underlain by at least 1/4
> inch (6mm) of closed-cell foam or equivalent padding."
> I read that to mean that all 3 points of the elbow must be covered
> 1/4" of padding and a rigid material. I am not sure if your
> is covered the outside of your child's elbows and knees?
> --- In AnTirYAC@yahoogroups.com, "godvonravsca" <godvonrav@> wrote:
> > Well, in an attempt at keeping my son's armour up to spec of the
> > rules that are being worked on, I needed to up this elbow and
> > The basic sports pads wouldn't be enough (they want side joint
> > coverage) so....what to do. Well, basically add some armour
> > leather to the sides. Luckily the Cooper pads had grommet holes
> > already in place and it was real easy to add the leather to it.
> > jpg
> > After that I water hardend them (ya...seems backwards...but I
> > want to have to deal with lining up holes after it was hardend
> > had possibly shrunk)
> > jpg
> > jpg
> > jpg
> > These should pass muster.
> > Godfrey von Ravensburg