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Re: [AmateurRadioLeadership] 501c3 Status?

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  • Tom KD8DEG
    You might contact this e-mail group below. There are many lawyers available here to answere just these kind of questions ham-law@mail.altlaw.com KD8DEG Tom
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 2, 2012
      You might contact this e-mail group below. There are many lawyers available here to answere just these kind of questions
      KD8DEG  Tom

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ed Greany
      Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [AmateurRadioLeadership] 501c3 Status?


      Good point Andrew.
      You have to file for non-profit status with your state AND the IRS.

      From: "andrew@..." <andrew@...>
      To: AmateurRadioLeadership@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 11:58 AM
      Subject: RE: [AmateurRadioLeadership] 501c3 Status?

      This can be a state issue.  

      This pre-dates me, but our club nearly got into hot water because of something (raffle tickets or scratch-offs or something that we don't even do anymore) that we could not legally sell without 501c3 status, and it got into how hamfest tickets were being used as a raffle item (because we drew door prizes from them and did not limit purchasers to one or something of that nature).  Being a 501c3 allows us to legally do a lot of things that we normally do, we did, and somehow got caught doing.  Note that if you're not 501c3, in the eyes of the IRS you are not a not-for-profit agency, even though many clubs would (rightfully) consider themselves that.  Note that if someone contacts the state over it, they put you through the ringer and check everything.

      We had help from a CPA that is a friend of a club member.  I believe we paid the CPA for that, and I know we paid the CPA for tax help this past year and we likely will in the future.

      On the donations, we have had donations, but having only been 501c3 for just over a year, it is too early to tell how that will go moving forward.

      tl;dr: check your state laws to see if you need it, be prepared to pay for help with the paperwork and yearly for filing taxes. 


      -------- Original Message --------
      Subject: [AmateurRadioLeadership] 501c3 Status?
      From: "danromanchik" <cwgeek@...>
      Date: Mon, July 02, 2012 2:26 pm
      To: AmateurRadioLeadership@yahoogroups.com

      A ham e-mail me today:

      "Somewhere, I recently read about attaining a non-profit status for a radio club. I don't think that it was your blog, but I can't think of anywhere else that might have covered the subject.

      But, do you have any advice or direction on the subject? Our club has been in existence for almost forty years, and I've been here for twenty-five and have been treasurer for twenty. From time to time, I've looked at the IRS forms, but they are beyond me. I'm not a lawyer or accountant, and our small club doesn't have anyone who is savvy about such matters.

      I'm sure that there must be a lot of little clubs out there with the same situation. Do you know how they are handling finances and insurance?

      You're a great thinker, and I enjoy the blog. Thanks for making it happen."

      I replied:

      "Well, I don't really know about being a great thinker, but my take on this is that amateur radio clubs rarely ever need 501c3 status. As far as I can tell, the only benefit is that it may encourage people to donate money or equipment to your club, as the 501c3 status will then allow them to deduct the value of that donation as a charitable donation. I don't know the situation with your club, but for our club, which has had 501c3 status for many years, this doesn't even occur once per year, and my guess is that most of the donations would have been made even if we didn't have 501c3 status.

      501c3 status was designed for what I call "real nonprofit corporations," organizations such as the Red Cross, private schools, and various foundations. These corporations not only have a board of directors, but a paid staff, and a real mission to serve the community. More often than not, these organizations are head and shoulders above most amateur radio clubs."

      Am I missing something?

      73, Dan KB6NU

    • Richards
      I second that Motion. ================= K8JHR ===================== ... ________________________________________________
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 3, 2012
        I second that Motion.

        ================= K8JHR =====================

        On 7/2/2012 6:32 PM, Tom KD8DEG wrote:

        > /You might contact this e-mail group below. There are many lawyers
        > available here to answer just these kind of questions/

        > ham-law@... <mailto:ham-law@...>
        > /KD8DEG Tom/

      • Richards
        Both messages nicely said, Ed.
        Message 3 of 7 , Jul 3, 2012
          Both messages nicely said, Ed.

          ------------------------ K8JHR --------------------

          On 7/2/2012 2:53 PM, Ed Greany wrote:
          > Oops, I forgot. You also inquired about insurance.
          > My club (team) does a lot of special events where we
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