• Now that I ve been out a couple of times in my 10 classic in VERY shallow water around the Concord River I ve concluded that getting holed is a matter of
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Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10' classic in VERY
shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded that getting
holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many branches
sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in floatation,
nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2" styrofoam sheets that
can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.

Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is per cubic
foot?
• The buoyancy is whatever water weighs per cubic foot minus the weight of the foam. a gallon of water weighs about 9# IIRC (50% chance of that) and has 231
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The buoyancy is whatever water weighs per cubic foot minus the weight of the
foam. a gallon of water weighs about 9# IIRC (50% chance of that) and has
231 cubic inches. and a cubic foot is 1728 cu in so about 7.48 gal in a
cubic foot and 67+ pounds in a cu ft. foam is about 2# so 65# per cu. ft.
is in the ball park.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "bschless" <bschless@...>
To: <Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

> Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10' classic in VERY
> shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded that getting
> holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many branches
> sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in floatation,
> nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2" styrofoam sheets that
> can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is per cubic
> foot?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
• Or: http://nrsweb.resultspage.com/boating/flotation%20bags -Roland ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be
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Or:

http://nrsweb.resultspage.com/boating/flotation%20bags

-Roland

--- On Mon, 4/14/08, bschless <bschless@...> wrote:

> From: bschless <bschless@...>
> Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?
> To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 14, 2008, 2:56 PM
> Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10'
> classic in VERY
> shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded
> that getting
> holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many
> branches
> sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in
> floatation,
> nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2"
> styrofoam sheets that
> can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is
> per cubic
> foot?

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• I have posted photos of my Arrow 14: http://picasaweb.google.com/elliotm00/Arrow14 You can see the floatation bag in front. I have since added another in the
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I have posted photos of my Arrow 14: http://picasaweb.google.com/elliotm00/Arrow14  You can see the floatation bag in front.  I have since added another in the back.

In the plans for the Classic, it mentions optional floatation under the seats.

The bags are more expensive than Styrofoam, but arguably will look better.

--Elliot

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bschless
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:56 PM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10' classic in VERY
shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded that getting
holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many branches
sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in floatation,
nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2" styrofoam sheets that
can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.

Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is per cubic
foot?

• Nice looking boat Elliot. I m just about to embark on building my first boatâ€¦ Arrow 14 also. (been sitting on the plans for a year now) What types of wood
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Nice looking boat Elliot. I'm just about to embark on building my first boat… Arrow 14 also. (been sitting on the plans for a year now)

What types of wood did you use for your build?

Cheers, P aul

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Elliot Mednick
Sent: April 14, 2008 8:40 P M
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

I have posted photos of my Arrow 14: http://picasaweb. google.com/ elliotm00/ Arrow14  You can see the floatation bag in front.  I have since added another in the back.

In the plans for the Classic, it mentions optional floatation under the seats.

The bags are more expensive than Styrofoam, but arguably will look better.

--Elliot

From: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: Airolite_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com ] On Behalf Of bschless
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:56 P M
To: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10' classic in VERY
shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded that getting
holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many branches
sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in floatation,
nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2" styrofoam sheets that
can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.

Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is per cubic
foot?

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• NTM the convenience factor of being able to easily remove and reinstall the bags at will for cleaning, maintenance, cargo, etc. Now maybe there is a way to
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NTM the convenience factor of being able to easily remove and reinstall the bags at will for cleaning, maintenance, cargo, etc. Now maybe there is a way to shape and install the styrofoam that will as readily allow these tasks, but I'm having difficulty visualizing it...

-Roland

--- On Mon, 4/14/08, Elliot Mednick <elliot@...> wrote:
....
>
> In the plans for the Classic, it mentions optional
> floatation under the
> seats.
>
>
>
> The bags are more expensive than Styrofoam, but arguably
> will look better.
>
>
>
> --Elliot
>
>
>
> From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of bschless
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?
>
>
>
> Now that I've been out a couple of times in my 10'
> classic in VERY
> shallow water around the Concord River I've concluded
> that getting
> holed is a matter of when, not if. There are jsut too many
> branches
> sticking up from the bottom. As a result I want to put in
> floatation,
> nd have considered cutting up the 4' x 8' x 2"
> styrofoam sheets that
> can be purchased as insulation at Home Depot.
>
> Does anyone have any idea what the bouyancy of styrofoam is
> per cubic
> foot?

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• Hi Paul, Thanks for the compliment. For the longitudinal members, I used a 2x8x16 construction stock board from Home Depot. I picked a clean board. I needed
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for the compliment.

For the longitudinal members, I used a 2x8x16’ construction stock board from Home Depot.  I picked a clean board.  I needed to scarf only one stringer.  The rest I was able to get clean cuts with no knots.

For the ribs, I found non-kiln-dried white ash (green white ash?) from a local hardwood supplier.  It was rough cut, and they were about to send it to get treated.  (If you’re in the New England area, Brentwood, NH, is a hotbed of mills and hard-to-find wood.)

For the floor boards, cedar from a local hardwood supplier that I had to rip widthwise to get the right thickness.

For the keel, oak.  One thin strip from a much larger board.

I did not use any plywood.  I cut the stem and thwart supports from the construction stock.  I have since found a supplier of marine-grade plywood.

I used the Styrofoam box method for the rib steaming.

I used the now-discontinued Sears 8” combination blade for all cutting.  I am still questing for an inexpensive but worthy replacement.

I added a second covering of Dacron to the very bottom, and brushed the Dacron with Varnish, adding another two coats a couple of years after I build it.  (I build it in 2003.)

As you can see from the photos, I paddle it in protected and semi-protected waters off the coast of Maine.  So far, so great.  It can be a little wobbly, but it won’t capsize.  I use the longest paddles I could find (250cm?).

I’m now working on a Classic 14.

Have fun building the Arrow!

--Elliot

Salem, NH.

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:21 PM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

Nice looking boat Elliot. I'm just about to embark on building my first boat… Arrow 14 also. (been sitting on the plans for a year now)

What types of wood did you use for your build?

Cheers, Paul

• Where did you purchase the bags? And how do you hold them in (if the boat were to turtle wouldn t they come out?) Beau Schless President/CEO NOTEbookS Library
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Where did you purchase the bags?  And how do you hold them in (if the boat were to turtle wouldn't they come out?)

Beau Schless
President/CEO
NOTEbookS Library Automation Systems
Celebrating 15 years exceeding customers' expectations
HTTP://WWW.RASCO.COM
PH: 1.(978) 443-2996
• Thanks Elliot. You must have stained the stringers then? The hardest item for me to find is the green white ash. I called a few mills to avail. I live in
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Thanks Elliot.

You must have stained the stringers then?

The hardest item for me to find is the green white ash. I called a few mills to avail. I live in Winnipeg , Manitoba .

Hopefully I'm not being too ambitious, but I plan to build it during class hours with some grade 9 students over a 5 week period. Everything is a learning experience.

Thanks for the information, I'm really looking forward to paddling this boat.

Paul

From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Elliot Mednick
Sent: April 15, 2008 5:53 AM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?]

Hi P aul,

Thanks for the compliment.

For the longitudinal members, I used a 2x8x16’ construction stock board from Home Depot.  I picked a clean board.  I needed to scarf only one stringer.  The rest I was able to get clean cuts with no knots.

For the ribs, I found non-kiln-dried white ash (green white ash?) from a local hardwood supplier.  It was rough cut, and they were about to send it to get treated.  (If you’re in the New England area, Brentwood , NH , is a hotbed of mills and hard-to-find wood.)

For the floor boards, cedar from a local hardwood supplier that I had to rip widthwise to get the right thickness.

For the keel, oak.  One thin strip from a much larger board.

I did not use any plywood.  I cut the stem and thwart supports from the construction stock.  I have since found a supplier of marine-grade plywood.

I used the Styrofoam box method for the rib steaming.

I used the now-discontinued Sears 8” combination blade for all cutting.  I am still questing for an inexpensive but worthy replacement.

I added a second covering of Dacron to the very bottom, and brushed the Dacron with Varnish, adding another two coats a couple of years after I build it.  (I build it in 2003.)

As you can see from the photos, I paddle it in protected and semi-protected waters off the coast of Maine .  So far, so great.  It can be a little wobbly, but it won’t capsize.  I use the longest paddles I could find (250cm?).

I’m now working on a Classic 14.

Have fun building the Arrow!

--Elliot

Salem, NH.

From: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: Airolite_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com ] On Behalf Of P aul
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:21 P M
To: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Floatation?

Nice looking boat Elliot. I'm just about to embark on building my first boat… Arrow 14 also. (been sitting on the plans for a year now)

What types of wood did you use for your build?

Cheers, P aul

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From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?]

You must have stained the stringers then?

Elliot:   Yes. That is, I used an oil-based varnish that was some specific color that I liked.

The hardest item for me to find is the green white ash. I called a few mills to avail. I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Elliot: Yeah, I had to make a bunch of calls, and then I got lucky with the timing.  Platt gives some alternatives, including laminating thinner oak strips.  That seems hard to me.

Hopefully I'm not being too ambitious, but I plan to build it during class hours with some grade 9 students over a 5 week period. Everything is a learning experience.

The Arrow is a pretty simple boat compared to many of the others.  I think you have a good shot at finishing it.  The students will get a great lesson out of it.  Good luck!

Thanks for the information, I'm really looking forward to paddling this boat.

Paul

• I wouldn t get hung up on the green white ash. I used dried ash and it was fine. Don t forget the idea of using microwave heated wet towels and bubble wrap
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I wouldn't get hung up on the green white ash.  I used dried ash and it was fine.  Don't forget the idea of using microwave heated wet towels and bubble wrap for the bending.  It's much less messy than the steam unit I initially set up, and much easier to fabricate.  You just wrap 2 or 3 ribs in the heated towels (you can just boil them in water, as well) wrap them up with bubble wrap, and voila!

Too bad..I was in Winnipeg last week on business.  Would have stopped in to check progress!

Beau Schless
President/CEO
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Celebrating 15 years exceeding customers' expectations
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"Elliot Mednick" <elliot@...>
Sent by: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com

04/15/2008 03:33 PM

 To cc Subject RE: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?]

 From: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:12 PM To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?] You must have stained the stringers then?Elliot:   Yes. That is, I used an oil-based varnish that was some specific color that I liked.The hardest item for me to find is the green white ash. I called a few mills to avail. I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba.  Elliot: Yeah, I had to make a bunch of calls, and then I got lucky with the timing.  Platt gives some alternatives, including laminating thinner oak strips.  That seems hard to me.Hopefully I'm not being too ambitious, but I plan to build it during class hours with some grade 9 students over a 5 week period. Everything is a learning experience.  The Arrow is a pretty simple boat compared to many of the others.  I think you have a good shot at finishing it.  The students will get a great lesson out of it.  Good luck!Thanks for the information, I'm really looking forward to paddling this boat.Paul
• I hadn t heard of that method. Is it on Platt s website? I ll do some experimenting. If you visited last week there wouldn t be much to see, but when visiting
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I hadn't heard of that method. Is it on Platt's website? I'll do some experimenting.

If you visited last week there wouldn't be much to see, but when visiting in the future feel free to give me a 'heads up' before hand.

Paul

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Sent: April 15, 2008 4:49 PM
To: Airolite_Boats@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?]

I wouldn't get hung up on the green white ash.  I used dried ash and it was fine.  Don't forget the idea of using microwave heated wet towels and bubble wrap for the bending.  It's much less messy than the steam unit I initially set up, and much easier to fabricate.  You just wrap 2 or 3 ribs in the heated towels (you can just boil them in water, as well) wrap them up with bubble wrap, and voila!

Too bad..I was in Winnipeg last week on business.  Would have stopped in to check progress!

Beau Schless
President/CEO
NOTEbookS Library Automation Systems
Celebrating 15 years exceeding customers' expectations
HTTP://WWW.RASCO. COM
PH: 1.(978) 443-2996

"Elliot Mednick" <elliot@mednick. name>
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 From: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Airolite_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:12 PM To: Airolite_Boats@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Airolite_Boats] Arrow 14 [was: Floatation?]  You must have stained the stringers then?Elliot:   Yes. That is, I used an oil-based varnish that was some specific color that I liked.The hardest item for me to find is the green white ash. I called a few mills to avail. I live in Winnipeg , Manitoba .  Elliot: Yeah, I had to make a bunch of calls, and then I got lucky with the timing.  Platt gives some alternatives, including laminating thinner oak strips.  That seems hard to me.Hopefully I'm not being too ambitious, but I plan to build it during class hours with some grade 9 students over a 5 week period. Everything is a learning experience.  The Arrow is a pretty simple boat compared to many of the others.  I think you have a good shot at finishing it.  The students will get a great lesson out of it.  Good luck!Thanks for the information, I'm really looking forward to paddling this boat.Paul

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• I bought one of mine in Newburyport, at a canoe and kayak store. I bought the other at a conoe/kayak store in Wiscassett, ME, right on Rt 1. As you might be
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I bought one of mine in Newburyport, at a canoe and kayak store.  I bought the other at a conoe/kayak store in Wiscassett, ME, right on Rt 1.

As you might be able to see from the photos I uploaded the other day, I lashed them in with nylon boat rope.  They aren’t going anywhere.

Of course, should the boat ever actually capsize, I don’t think there is any way to get back into the boat from the water.  But, at least nothing would sink, except one’s pride.

Where did you purchase the bags?  And how do you hold them in (if the boat were to turtle wouldn't they come out?)

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