Re: [AWES] Re: Are KiteGen Patents Blocking?
My assumption is that everything posted here will stay in the public
domain for some time to come. I stand by calling flygens losers. They
will probably fill niche markets but compared to groundgens they have
too many problems with no solutions apparent so far. Just a few;
Higher tether costs.
Higher tether mass.
Greater noise levels.
Higher generator costs.
More difficult to launch and land.
Greater susceptibility to lightning.
I predict the mainstream will be groundgens with small (tiny) flying
generators to power things like lights and instrumentation on the kites.
On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 18:28 +0000, Doug wrote:
> Nice, Robert.
> I get the feeling you have caught a weak case of whatever virus Dave
> S. has caught from Nostradamus.
> Let's take a fresh look at this sweeping statement you have made, in
> 10 or 20 years.
> I don't personally think there's anything so heavy about a generator
> that necessarily precludes flygen, and as others have pointed out, a
> Superturbine(R) base need not be on the ground per se.
> But let's go on record:
> According to expert Copcutt's analysis, no airborne wind energy system
> that lifts the generators off the ground can ever emerge.
> OK we'll archive that as a definite statement that cannot be violated.
> I guess that explains why Skywindpower isn't moving forward as fast as
> I had hoped. I'm still their biggest fan.
> --- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, Robert Copcutt <r@...>
> > Doug,
- 54 teams without a single wind energy person, no doubt... (you can't make this stuff up!) Well certainly with 54 teams, there can be NO DOUBT that they are on the right track, right? I think any bureaucrat would agree with that! Funding please!...
Just remember the joke about the drunk looking for his keys under the lamppost. Why is he looking under the lamppost even though he dropped them somewhere else? The light is better there. (punchline)
Why do people want to make power (force x distance / time) by the pull of a (normally stationary) string? They have flown kites and that pull on the string is what they know. That is the extent of the light of their old, reliable lamppost, and they are stuck under that lamppost because what is beyond the light of the lamppost is unknown. To them.
--- In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, Gaetano Dentamaro <bittertooth@...> wrote:> "[... M.Ippolito:] in the whole world, there are 54 subjects, > Universities, research centers and private firms, who are pursuing, with
> methods identical or very similar to ours, strategies to exploit
> airborne wind energy.
> Q. Among these competitors, did you notice promising technologies?
> A. Not too much; some are too similar to ours (some indeed have built
> machines identical to our first prototype), hence those will be
> short-lived because of the patents, others are too much inferior in
> terms of potentialities."