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  • Richard
    Reading in to past posts and web flyers and stuff and figured I would just put the question out there to see if someone else had these systems and could
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 6 6:35 AM
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      Reading in to past posts and web flyers and stuff and figured I would just put the question out there to see if someone else had these systems and could compare and answer...
      - Airwire
      - Locolink
      - Phoenix 2K2
      The Phoenix 2K2 sound board has the option for several extra sound controls beyond bell and whistle, like blow down, water fill, coal fill, pumps. These are controlled by function keys.

      Can the Airwire system control the various Function Key inputs on a Phoenix 2K2 board, from F0 to F7?? Is this a direct connection or extra setup?? Just did not see clear answer.

      Separate, the newer P5 board..... same question, but need to know about the 2K2 for now P5 for tomorrow??

      Anyone see this, have or had Locolink and can answer same question, using a Phoenix 2K2, can Locolink control the other extra sounds also?? And any extra wiring or hardware to do this there??

      Have a friend with older Locolink and not as happy with and wondering how switching to Airwire would do, with interfacing to Phoenix 2K2 boards he has in locos today.

      Rick
    • JONATHAN BLIESE
      Richard: the Airwire system controls all Phoenix functions directly with a simple 2 wire connection. AirWire and Phnx play very well together since they are
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 6 7:11 AM
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        Richard: the Airwire system controls all Phoenix functions directly with a
        simple 2 wire connection. AirWire and Phnx play very well together since
        they are both based on DCC protocols. With Airwire , you really want o go
        with the p5 since it has the same performance at much lower cost. Recently ,
        the Phoenix 2k2 was discontinued and replaced by the new pb9. This system is
        again at lower cost than the 2k2 and performs better. The pb9 is designed
        for track power installations, but is also fully compatible with Airwire. I
        have sold and installed hundreds of Airwire /P5 systems and for essentially
        100% of those users it has changed the way they view and enjoy their hobby.

        Jonathan/Electric Modelworks www.rctrains.com



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      • Joel Waterman
        With a two wire connection between the AirWire receiver and Phoenix sound card, you can control every Phoenix sound that has been programmed to a function
        Message 3 of 5 , Mar 6 8:18 AM
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          With a two wire connection between the AirWire receiver and Phoenix sound card, you can control every Phoenix sound that has been programmed to a function key.  AirWire will support up to 20 functioin keys - all throught the same two wires - the P5 can use up to 12 and the 2K2 can use up to 8.
           
          It is like they were made for each other.

          Joel Waterman
          Rushbury Valley Railroad
          rushbury_valley@...

          --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Richard <rrick07@...> wrote:

          From: Richard <rrick07@...>
          Subject: [AirWire] Airwire & Phoenix & Locolink
          To: AirWire@yahoogroups.com
          Received: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:35 AM






          Reading in to past posts and web flyers and stuff and figured I would just put the question out there to see if someone else had these systems and could compare and answer...
          - Airwire
          - Locolink
          - Phoenix 2K2
          The Phoenix 2K2 sound board has the option for several extra sound controls beyond bell and whistle, like blow down, water fill, coal fill, pumps. These are controlled by function keys.

          Can the Airwire system control the various Function Key inputs on a Phoenix 2K2 board, from F0 to F7?? Is this a direct connection or extra setup?? Just did not see clear answer.

          Separate, the newer P5 board..... same question, but need to know about the 2K2 for now P5 for tomorrow??





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        • Richard
          Thank you for the quick answers. As mentioned today its what can be done with existing 2K2 boards. Answers say its simple 2 wire to go AirWire to Phoenix 2K2.
          Message 4 of 5 , Mar 8 9:46 AM
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            Thank you for the quick answers. As mentioned today its what can be done with existing 2K2 boards. Answers say its simple 2 wire to go AirWire to Phoenix 2K2.

            Now with a Lcoolink (not this group I know) is it reads as if that direction would require maybe some circuit between the receive and the 2K2 and be limited to only 2 function controls, bell and whistle.

            Not looking for sales pitch to get Airwire or ways to get around with automatic settings. Just reading here the bottom line is only 2 items on the 2K2 can be controlled from the throttle via Locolink with extra wiring and all 12 can be controlled from Airwire with direct 2 wire connection?????

            Rick
          • JONATHAN BLIESE
            Richard: the technologies are different, hence different results. Loco link does not produce an aux DCC signal. So you get the two analog functions the loco
            Message 5 of 5 , Mar 8 11:37 AM
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              Richard: the technologies are different, hence different results. Loco link
              does not produce an aux DCC signal. So you get the two analog functions the
              loco link triggers can control. With the Airwire/2k2 system, the 2k2 senses
              the Dcc carrier signal from the Airwire and switches from analog to DCC
              mode. This then allows full Dcc operation (12 functions) via the 2 DCC aux
              signal wires. This happens automatically and is transparent to the use as
              long as the system is wired correctly. The only caveat is that the 2 wires
              from AirWire to 2k2 carry DCC intelligence and power. So, the 2k2 must be
              limited in its software to a max 900 ma or so ( this is adjustable) from the
              default 1500ma. This is because the DCC aux Airwire output is an unbuffered
              1 amp max. Lighting load must also be considered . A 2k2 at high volume,
              with polyphonic activity (chuff, whistle etc ) can draw enough to take out
              the Airwire DCC drivers. This is not common , but I have seen it happen.



              Jonathan/EMW



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