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  • john hope-falkner
    (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in) Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members collections? Everyone
    Message 1 of 7 , Nov 6, 2011
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      (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)

      Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members'
      collections?

      Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would
      be published under the banner of the AAG.
      Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members,
      off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve
      Price – but there are several others.
      Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price,
      profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have
      physically made the project happen.

      Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a
      copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a
      credit of suggesting the idea!
      There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity

      Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from
      various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as
      not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
      One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a
      'published provenience ' opportunity.

      I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing
      on a regular basis.

      How about it?
    • Lawrence
      Sounds like a cunning plan to me, not that I have any illusions bout the publication potential of my pieces!
      Message 2 of 7 , Nov 6, 2011
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        Sounds like a cunning plan to me, not that I have any illusions bout the publication potential of my pieces!

        --- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, john hope-falkner <johnhfalkner@...> wrote:
        >
        > (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)
        >
        > Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members'
        > collections?
        >
        > Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would
        > be published under the banner of the AAG.
        > Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members,
        > off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve
        > Price – but there are several others.
        > Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price,
        > profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have
        > physically made the project happen.
        >
        > Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a
        > copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a
        > credit of suggesting the idea!
        > There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity
        >
        > Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from
        > various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as
        > not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
        > One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a
        > 'published provenience ' opportunity.
        >
        > I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing
        > on a regular basis.
        >
        > How about it?
        >
      • Gary Schulze
        The downsize you mentioned would be the stumbling block. ... From: john hope-falkner To: African_Arts
        Message 3 of 7 , Nov 6, 2011
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          The"downside" you mentioned would be the stumbling block.


          -----Original Message-----
          From: john hope-falkner <johnhfalkner@...>
          To: African_Arts <African_Arts@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2011 3:20 pm
          Subject: [African_Arts] The African Arts Group Collection book.

          (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)
          
          Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members'
          collections?
          
          Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would
          be published under the banner of the AAG.
          Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members,
          off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve
          Price – but there are several others.
          Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price,
          profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have
          physically made the project happen.
          
          Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a
          copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a
          credit of suggesting the idea!
          There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity
          
          Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from
          various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as
          not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
          One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a
          'published provenience ' opportunity.
          
          I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing
          on a regular basis.
          
          How about it?
          
          
          
          
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        • Ed Jones
          John,   Just a few thoughts;   1.  How would the more eminent members be selected?  Volunteer or proxy?  Seems to me that the more eminent members are
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            John,
             
            Just a few thoughts;
             
            1.  How would the more eminent members be selected?  Volunteer or proxy?  Seems to me that the more "eminent" members are already pre-occupied with other things, as most of us are.
            2.  Who would [ultimately] be responsible to establish the expectation(s), locate a publisher and pay the fees?  The one(s) with the larger financial contribution?
            3.  Considering that your idea potentially involves a wide array of members, how do you see the need for legistation and legal representation?
             
            Maybe, your idea might be best served soley with your lead and responsibility to completion.. Much like anyone else that independently publishes a book [or becomes self-employed]. 
             
            Respectfully, I cannot see this happening this way.  
             
            Ed
             

            From: john hope-falkner <johnhfalkner@...>
            To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 6:44 AM
            Subject: [African_Arts] The African Arts Group Collection book.

            (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)

            Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members' 
            collections?

            Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would 
            be published under the banner of the AAG.
            Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members, 
            off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve 
            Price – but there are several others.
            Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price, 
            profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have 
            physically made the project happen.

            Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a 
            copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a 
            credit of suggesting the idea!
            There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity

            Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from 
            various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as 
            not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
            One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a 
            'published provenience ' opportunity.

            I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing 
            on a regular basis.

            How about it?




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          • john hope-falkner
            If I may respond to some of the comments? From Gary Schulze I agree that bruised egos might be a problem. The area is so subjective that one person s
            Message 5 of 7 , Nov 7, 2011
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              If I may respond to some of the comments?


              From Gary Schulze


              I agree that bruised egos might be a problem. The area is so subjective that one person's conviction is the basis for another's ridicule. You have only to go to Paris' Parcours des Mondes to virtually drown in the venom being aimed at rivals ( In confidence, of course)


              From Ed Jones


              1.As this could be seen as an extension to our group activities, Lee and Rand would be the obvious editors – if they have the time/inclination.

              They both know the field, and you have only to look at Rand's website to know he is media savvy.

              They would select editorial advisors as they saw fit.(Many non specialised auction houses base their ethnographic catalogue entries of photos emailed to experts, so evaluation in this manner is not so outlandish)

              2. They would find a publisher/negotiate terms etc. We are not subject to any deadlines here.

              I am not sure what Ed means by the 'larger financial contribution' he mentioned. If he means prior investment being rewarded by eventual book sales revenue I guess the answer is yes.

              3. There would hopefully be a very wide input from members. I do not understand why there would be a need for legislation or legal representation. The photos would be the copyright of the owners. A written disclaimer would state the opinions expressed are that of an individual and not of the AAG.

                  4 .I am a Brit based in France. Lamentably French is not even my second language! Since our group posts in English I think the project has to be based in an English speaking country.


                  From Dr Lawrence Owens.


                The idea is to produce an overview of what the group collects. We would not be creating an oeuvre on the scale of Jean- Baptiste Bacquart's tour de force , nor would we be attempting to scale the scholarly heights of a Quai Branly publication and, since we have nothing to sell, even that of a specialised gallery's exhibition brochure.


            • RPearsonpe@aol.com
              Warren Robbins published African Art in American Collections , very successful, but I doubt this group -as a group- could do likewise. If someone wants to
              Message 6 of 7 , Nov 7, 2011
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                Warren Robbins published 'African Art in American Collections', very successful, but I doubt this group -as a group- could do likewise.
                If someone wants to try, possibly charge $ per item included, I would be good for a few items, depending on the $ per item.
                 
                bob
                 
                In a message dated 11/6/2011 1:20:17 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, johnhfalkner@... writes:
                (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)

                Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members' 
                collections?

                Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would 
                be published under the banner of the AAG.
                Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members, 
                off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve 
                Price – but there are several others.
                Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price, 
                profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have 
                physically made the project happen.

                Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a 
                copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a 
                credit of suggesting the idea!
                There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity

                Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from 
                various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as 
                not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
                One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a 
                'published provenience ' opportunity.

                I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing 
                on a regular basis.

                How about it?




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              • rpearsonpe
                Two Stories and a Suggestion. The Stories: John Rohner, professor emeritus of U of Colorado, put together an extensive collection of African Art from several
                Message 7 of 7 , Nov 11, 2011
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                  Two Stories and a Suggestion.
                  The Stories: John Rohner, professor emeritus of U of Colorado, put together an extensive collection of African Art from several good contacts and former students. He published a book of his pieces, "African Art from African Runners", published thru U of Colorado. Photos and descriptions. Last copy I saw advertised was $500.
                  George Hegarty published a small book "Arts of Africa from the Hegarty Collection" when his collection was small- it is now astronomically large and incredibly good. These are two examples of collectors who published their collections, not intending to make a profit from the books, but as their pieces have now been 'published', are now available to more collectors. And I personally like books.

                  The Suggestion: Anyone can publish a book now, fairly low cost to publish, but try to get the photographs done well or professionally, and have several collectors proof the descriptions.
                  OR individually put together your book c/w photos, descriptions, and proof reading-and then 'publish' it free online, similar to the "The Sacred Stools of the Akan" .Should be less work and cost, can be done individually, and gets your collection before the public. No not all pieces are 'masterpieces' (whatever that is supposed to mean), or 100+ years old, or 'museum quality', but in many cases better than the preceding 'qualifiers' and more available to your fellow collector. My personal collection/accumulation is now in excess of 1000 'large' pieces and needs to be reduced-this would be a way to do it. Publish the 'book' and sell or trade to fellow collectors.
                  Just my opinion.

                  bob

                  --- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, john hope-falkner <johnhfalkner@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > (Sorry to come in this way, but seem to be having problems signing in)
                  >
                  > Why do we not produce a book illustrating pieces from members'
                  > collections?
                  >
                  > Everyone could provide photographs of selected items , and this would
                  > be published under the banner of the AAG.
                  > Selection and editorial would be provided by the more eminent members,
                  > off the top of my head I am thinking Lee Rubinstein, Rand Smith, Steve
                  > Price – but there are several others.
                  > Since allot of work would be involved the book would have a price,
                  > profits ( after costs ) accruing from sales going to those who have
                  > physically made the project happen.
                  >
                  > Upside. Everyone who has a pieces/s illustrated/described would buy a
                  > copy – probably more as gifts. I for one would , since I would get a
                  > credit of suggesting the idea!
                  > There should also be a commercial retail sales opportunity
                  >
                  > Downside. Allot of egos would be bruised when ' prized examples' from
                  > various collections would be deemed by the editorial/vetting board as
                  > not being as wonderful/genuine as the individual owners believed.
                  > One or two dealers might attempt to hijack such a venture as a
                  > 'published provenience ' opportunity.
                  >
                  > I believe we have hundreds of members, many of whom are contributing
                  > on a regular basis.
                  >
                  > How about it?
                  >
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