Re: [African_Arts] Re: Luba Caryatid
- For reference (and possible source of inspiration), also see this Luba caryatid in the collection at Tervuren:Siège luba. Ht. 50cm. l. 31 cm.
Trésors d'Afrique. Musée de Tervuren, op. cit., p. 195.
Photographie R. Asselberghs.Luba, République démocratique du Congo. Région : Katanga. Siège à cariatide. Bois et pigments. H. : 57,3 cm. Don de E. Verdick. Musée royal de l'Afrique centrale, Tervuren Inv. n° RG 132 © Africa-Museum, Tervuren, photo Hughes Dubois.LeeOn Apr 3, 2010, at 8:53 AM, afrikhantiques wrote:
Thank you so much for the posts. They are indeed similar!
Do you think our pieces were actually used or carved for the market? They also differ quite a bit from the Kayumba-museka from the Stanley Collection in terms of style and patina. I have doubts about their authenticity and I also doubt they are 50+ years old. How did you acquire your piece?
--- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com, Gi Mateusen <mateusen@.. .> wrote:
> I saw your message and was wondered how simular the two pieces are. I made a
> new album ³stool luba². So you can see my piece.
> I believe the pieces are from the same sculptor ore workplace.
> Gi Mateusen
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> Van: afrikhantiques <khankey@... >
> Beantwoorden - Aan: <African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com>
> Datum: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:19:36 -0000
> Aan: <African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com>
> Onderwerp: [African_Arts] Re: Luba Caryatid
> Gi Mateusen,
> I was reading older posts from you and read that you have a similar stool to
> this piece. You wrote in message #2559:
> "Dear members,
> I have another question about a Luba stool , type Kayumba-museka (Luba
> book F. Neyt) because there are two small differences: first the tongue is
> between the lips and there are no decorations in the form of cowries.
> Is this another type or a fake ?
> Photo's in the album "congo"."
> My piece has a tongue between the lips AND has cowries for decorations. But
> I can't seem to find your "congo" album to compare my piece with. Also, does
> the piece in the book Luba by F. Neyt the piece with the cowries and tongue
> or is it your piece with those elements? You carried on saying in later
> messages about confirming your piece at Sotheby's and that it was approved
> My Luba stool doesn't seem as "freshly" carved as Victor's and the patina is
> smooth at the top half of the stool, where there should be much more
> handling, whilst there are more encrustations on the bottom half
> (particularly the base) and also inside the mouth.
> Mateusen, I would appreciate your incite as you seem to own and have
> researched such a piece in more depth.
> Thank you for your time,
> --- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:African_ Arts%40yahoogrou ps.com>
> , "afrikhantiques" <khankey@> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > I bought this Luba caryatid a year ago and I'm hoping you guys can give me
> your opinions on this piece. I'm also wondering if this is Tabwa or Luba as I
> tend confuse between the two styles.
> (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/343870675/ pic/list)
> > Some details about the piece, there seems to be fractures on the arms due to
> the pressure. Shells are carved at the rim of the bottom and top of the stool as
> decorative motifs. The coiffure is quite elaborate in my opinion. I like how the
> figure is holding the stool delicately by her fingertips. The top of the seat
> seems to be well "seasoned" in as if been used often. Scarifications all over
> her stomach.
> > It is very similar to Lee's Luba stool *
> > (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1805610199 /pic/list).
> * It has signs of usage and age in my opinion but I'm always skeptical, hope you
> guys can help me out and clarify things.
> > Thanks,
> > Khan
> > *Moderator's note: Images linked were posted for a group member, "Victor. --
> not actually "my" stool. Similar indeed, though. Lee