Ok, Vero, balance is somewhat restored to the family
unit! I knew you would do that in a humorous way,
hazelnuts and all. And your definition of a 'couple'
rings rather true :)
p.s. I love hazelnuts, especially when turned into
--- Veronique Martelliere <proximatribal@...
> Well, John, since Neanderthal time, the strongest
> female muscle is her tongue (> "mother tongue')...
> and women can keep on making a lot of tongue
> work-out until a man decides that she must "shut
> up" (maybe with the threat of his own muscles or
> with the threat of bringing his game-bag to another
> woman). You see : at last, Mr Neanderthal has the
> last "word".
> This is a caricature, of course. Women have their
> own margin of freedom, a narrower margin - narrow as
> a cave. The cave is the woman's kingdom. And if she
> decides to decorate the bedroom corner with pink
> curtains and white pompoms, her husband/partner is
> not allowed to make any objection (unless she does
> not cook or wash the dishes - in that case she might
> become "a witch", inflammable, of course). But if
> she decides to go hunting for mamoths with the guys
> : "Objection, your Honour, you'd better mind your
> cave" (cave bears say "Honey", instead of "your
> Why do women work harder ? Because there is at
> least one meal per day, because they are the ones
> who cook and because they know exactly the price of
> a kg of rice + as organisms in potential gestation,
> they have to anticipate and gather hazelnuts for the
> future : mammoths are dangerous and an accident can
> happen quite unexpectedly.
> So, what is a couple, finally ? Two persons who
> agreed to colonize each other.
> John Nash <jnash@...> wrote:
> Hmm, some of this is sounding, maybe, a
> simplistic. The idea of a vacuum waiting to be
> is interesting, but as an explanation for war it's
> also a bit self-fulfilling -- more powerful
> also get attacked, but generally they do not
> of course it's only the weaker ones that get
> And have men dominated women since mr. neanderthal?
> Where I lived in Africa it had always impressed me
> much women were the harder workers (men it seemed
> worked very hard too, but in spurts, women worked
> hard and continuously!). But that was only some
> other women instead were the ones holding economic
> power (think "mama benz"). Vero, is this a new
> phenomenon in Africa, powerful women, or does it go
> back to Mrs. Neanderthal...?
> --- Veronique Martelliere <proximatribal@...>
> > Thank You, Margalit and thank You for your
> > views about nature which does not tolerate vacuum
> > and how the world goes as a big chess game.
> > Also, you ask : "About slavery and the horror
> > it. Who can explain that?". Probably Neanderthal
> > could develop an explanation, as he started .
> > Women were the first slaves (and still are in too
> > many areas of our world) and also, probably, the
> > first currencies. Because women have not enough
> > muscles to resist, maybe they gave the men the
> > cristallizing habit of having comfortable
> > humans within hand & voice reach. Then blame it
> > the women that slavery exist (a new item to be
> > added on the list ).
> > And, by the way, women do not demand excuses for
> > what was done to their grand
> > ) mothers - we are too busy dealing with our
> > and future.
> > Since Neanderthal, there are two types of chiefs
> > corresponding to different 'appetites' (for
> > the vacuum) : the first one measures his power
> > according to his territory (Roman type) and the
> > second one who measures it according to the
> > of "heads" he "owns" (tribal type). The latter
> > be the most dangerous. More than heads, he might
> > conquer souls behind the mask of a generous
> > missionary.
> > I do not want to hurt anyone either, and am
> > conscious that criticizing the Bible followers
> > (and there) is not very nice. I am catholic and
> > raised in catholic schools, and was probably
> > overdosed. Observed also so many dichotomies
> > speech and acts.
> > BUT that does not mean I look down on all people
> > faith. Genuine generosity of the heart is like an
> > exquisite good wine : who cares about what is
> > written on the label of the bottle ?
> > "M.E.F." <mfliegelmann@...> wrote:
> > Dearest Vero,
> > How do you manage to bring humour, wisdom and
> > kindness into every blistering situation?!
> > I feel so deeply about not hurting feelings
> > as Ed's. At 60, I have spent the last 40 years or
> > more devoted one way or another to my love,
> > admiration and interest in and of Africa and the
> > African Diaspora. I have spent most of my
> > activities in this realm and the last thing I
> > is to hurt feelings but I also have integrity and
> > believe in steering clear of indulgence,
> > and political correctness of any sort. (This was
> > apology to Ed if I hurt his feelings).
> > About marching into war zones: I have a few pet
> > topics and this is one of them. I feel very
> > that there is no such thing as conquest, only
> > internal decay which invites either directly or
> > indirectly outside presence and subsequently
> > Examples: The Second Temple fell in Jerusalem
> > because the Zealots and those who were less so
> > all the other many factions quarreled so
> > that they actually invited the Romans in. (It was
> > not so simple but it was so). About seven
> > later, the Muslims conquered in a way no other
> > conquerors did because the Greeks (Byzantium) and
> > the Persians were exhausted by fighting each
> > and of course, Europe was an anti heap that
> > like it had been upset by an intruder, and so on.
> > Nature does not tolerate vacuum and there are
> > and "Pull" factors to every human movement. On
> > one hand, great cohesion and internal push
> > will send off one group to war and the vacuum
> > created by internal destruction invites the
> > on the move in.
> > These are value free descriptions of what
> > has been happening in History.
> > About slavery and the horror of it. Who can
> > explain that? Every so often, things go really
> > and human kind will have to live with it in its
> > stomach for many centuries. It is always harder
> > be the perpetrator than the victim.. And I'll say
> > more of this vast and off the tangent topic.
> > Thanks Vero for your light, humorous and so
> > contributions. You must be a very special person.
> > Margalit
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