Re: could someone help me to identify these things ?
- THX for great answers ! :) and help RAND and rest of the team :)
Great eye Lee! , I brought this things from Ghana :)
--- In African_Arts@yahoogroups.com, "RAND \(Rand African Art\)"
>your question about that you posted a photograph in the link below:
> Paul -
> I found my reference to the name for the 3rd object that you asked
>the Bamana people in Mali and their proper name is "Meeren".
> As I said in my previous message, they are marionette figures from
>use, but I have heard stories that they are used in ceremonies
> I didn't however find my reference that talked about traditional
surrounding marriage. The smaller puppet heads are removed from the
larger figure and are used in a dance. This isn't fact, it was just a
story that someone once told me, someone that was fairly knowledgeable
and traveled in Mali quite a bit for the past 20 years, but not backed
up by any factual data. This is what he was told about a figure like
this that he had collected in Mali, and for all I know it could be the
>in the following links:
> You can find a nice example from the Albert Loeb Gallery in Paris
>the larger figure.
> Their examples only have 2 removable figures that are inserted in
>more recent rendition of these types of marionettes.
> Your example is stylistically similar, but to me it seems like a
>on this object.
> Still can't give you any point of reference as far as market value
>objects. There are a lot of factors that come into play when you're
> "RAND (Rand African Art)" <rand@...> wrote:
> It's hard to give good advice to people regarding value of
trying to place a value on something.
>look at various ones that galleries around the world are selling. Try
> My suggestion would be to possibly Google "Cameroon stools" and
and find stools that are stylistically similar to the ones that you
have and see what the asking prices are. You'll probably find a wide
range of prices and you'll need to figure out where yours fit into
this based on what you paid for yours to begin with and what you think
a fair price would be based on that.
>get less money for them because the gallery in turn has to sell them
> If you try to sell them to a gallery/shop then you'll most likely
and make a profit on them as well. So, they would most likely try to
buy them from you at the lowest possibly price they could in order to
obtain a decent margin for profit.
>gallery owner, then have a conversation with the gallery owner and ask
> If your intent is to just cash out on them and you know the
them what they think the market value on the stools is based on their
experience. Then you'll have to take your cost into consideration and
see if you can work out an acceptable price for them. Often times
galleries may not want to buy things, but will consider consigning
them for you, at a cost.
>but that may not be the easiest thing to do depending on your situation.
> You're better off trying to sell them on your own in my opinion,
>marionette. I tried to locate the book that had the exact name for
> The last object that you provided a photo of is a Bamana
that particular type/style, but can't seem to find it at the moment. I
can't really suggest any place on the Internet for you to go to in
order to compare it to other examples and their asking prices so I'm
not much help in that regard.
>have the question.
> Hope that helps some.
> Pawel <wiaderki@...> wrote:
> I brought some of things from Africa, regarding three of them
>like sell them here in Poland (to gallery-shop)
> Could you tell me how much worth they are ? (more or less) I would
>this, name ? etc.), - height=142c, , width=120cm at top
> Here examples :
> 1. Cameroon table : (height=60cm, width=59cm , diameter=59cm)
> 2. second Cameroon table : (height=64cm , width=45cm , diameter=45cm)
> 3. And rare thing , very BIG (but i don't have any idea , what is
> thank you for help!!