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  • Mark Rasmussen
    May 12, 2009
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      I will agree with this response if "verify authenticity" does not imply that just "seeing" them in person can establish their authenticity.

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      From: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com [mailto: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Aaron Weston
      Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:45 PM
      To: African_Arts@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: Re : [African_Arts] Fresh Masks

       




      Please, let's get real......There is no way you can verify authenticity by seeing a photo. Viewing a photo, at best, would allow you to determine if you wanted to see the piece in person.....

       

      Felix

      --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Andrew < andrew@suagacollect ion.com > wrote:

      From: Andrew < andrew@suagacollect ion.com >
      Subject: Re: Re : [African_Arts] Fresh Masks
      To: African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com
      Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 5:18 PM

      Hi Renaud,

      I have taken a couple of shots of each of the backs/insides of the masks and posted them next to the originals

      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1282187133 /pic/list

      I agree with Steve whole heartedly: "There are those who know they've been fooled into buying fake/reproduction/ inauthentic pieces, and those who don't know it yet" So all opinions to authenticity greatly appreciated.

      I am very interested in the details/opinions from the photographic interpretation because I often take refuge in Ann's philosophy too: "We can all afford to lose a little to ensure that we remember to learn" and anything I can learn from other peoples assessment methods is valuable.

      Thanks to all for such marvelous site dialogue.

      --- In African_Arts@ yahoogroups. com, renaud riley <renaudr1@.. .> wrote:
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      > It would be good to see the inside of these masks to see if they are authentical. I do have some doubts on few of them.
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      > --- En date de : Lun 27.4.09, Andrew <andrew@...> a écrit :
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      > Objet: [African_Arts] Fresh Masks
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      > Date: Lundi 27 Avril 2009, 0h20
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      > I'm excited by a few of my new acquisitions and wanted to share them.
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      > I try to get across to Africa every year (or two) and add to my private collection (as well as experience the country). This year it was Cameroon .
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      > I have photographed the 8 pieces I brought back (8 from the thousands of pieces seen at markets, villages and traders houses) and put them in an album at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/African_ Arts/photos/ album/1282187133 /pic/list
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      > Although they are "green" it is great to see the quality of pieces still being produced, potentially in use and able to be found by those willing to look.
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      > It has also been wonderful that they stimulate discussion â€" when I questioned the likelihood of finding an authentic Yaure mask in Cameroon, Ann Porteous and I talked about how historic conflict in the Ivory Coast now means it is more and more common for traders to take pieces to accessible markets (ie Cameroon and Mali) in an attempt to reach European collectors.
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      > I believed in their authenticity but the most contentious pieces (ie those with the biggest ritually used question mark over them) are:
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      > I hope you enjoy the pictures and please feel free to challenge any of my attributions.
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