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    Missing Nukes and Bin Laden Was it a conspiracy to attack Iran? How the hell these people died? Why the American B52 bomber was loaded with nuclear warheads?
    Message 1 of 2 , Sep 25, 2007

      Missing Nukes and Bin Laden

       

       

      Was it a conspiracy to attack Iran ? How the hell these people died? Why the American B52 bomber was loaded with nuclear warheads?  

      Minot AFB Clandestine Nukes 'Oddities' --By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 19 Sep 2007

       

      The following section was compiled by 'The Pundit.'
      Since the Minot story broke a week ago about the missing nukeclandestine operation from Minot , we have the following (for those who are paying attention):

      1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base
      2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots
      3. All are now dead
      4. All within the last 7 days in 'accidents' [Not all of them --LRP]

       

      http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465
      http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012
      http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp
      http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988
      http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
      http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html

       

      Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.

      But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and they may have told their wives and friends.

      "The Pundit"

       

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      Minot Base Officials Say Airman Dies While On Leave 12 Sep 2007 The Minot Air Force Base said an airman has died while on leave in Virginia . Airman First Class Todd Blue, who was 20 years old, died Monday while visiting with family members. The statement did not say how he died. The base said Blue was a response force member assigned to the 5th Security Forces Squadron. [The primary mission of the 5th Security Forces Squadron is to 'provide 24-hour law enforcement and security services for the 5th Bomb Wing and all tenant units assigned to Minot AFB.' "Guardians of the Upper Realm" --The host wing on Minot Air Force Base, the 5th Bomb Wing operates the B-52H Stratofortress aircraft to provide global strike and combat-support capabilities to geographic commanders. B-52 Stratofortress - Mission --Air Combat Command's B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber that can perform a variety of missions... It can carry nuclear or precision guided conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability.]

      AF Secretary Visits MAFB 14 Sep 2007 The top civilian in the Air Force spent the afternoon at Minot Air Force Base today. Michael Wynne, the Secretary of the Air Force, arrived at the base about 1 PM to get a personal look at how nuclear weapons are stored, protected, and handled. His visit comes two weeks after a B-52 bomber loaded with six nuclear warheads was flown from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base.

       

      Staging Nukes for Iran? By Larry Johnson 05 Sep 2007 My buddy... reminded me that the only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to move the weapons to a specific site... Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations... Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations? His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else. Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can't think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride... Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran ?

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      'Opposing' view:
      The following email was sent to CLG on 19 September, anonymously.

      Hello there,

      I'm a Staff Sergeant in the US Air Force. I do network security, so, that's why I'm emailing anonymously, even though I really don't feel it's necessary. I'm just paranoid like that, which is why I'm pretty good at my job. ;) Also, parts of what I'm putting in here are probably classified, which is the primary reason I'm sending this anonymously.

      Anyway, I see a lot of people posting on Reddit about government conspiracies about nukes and things like this. It's frustrating for me because it's really very silly. Please, let me explain some background, to help you all understand what's going on in the background for the Air Force:

      Minot AFB is a dead-end base. It's the abyss of the Air Force, the saying goes "Why not Minot ?" They have major retainability problems there – people volunteer to go to Iraq , Korea , anywhere just to get out of there. Beside its location (middle-of-nowhere North Dakota ), the base has very little real mission and spins its wheels forever in drills that all result in the end of the world since it's a nuke base designed to fight the Cold War. But, there is no Cold War for them to fight (at least not one that Minot 's golden piece of real estate would be useful in fighting), so its people probably feel pretty worthless and tired of fighting the now non-existent Soviet Union . The base has already been re-aligned (more on that in a moment) and it's probably going to be BRACed into a regional airport in a few decades. Ellison AFB in South Dakota has already had its closure decided.

       

      One of the biggest problems with killing off Minot is its core mission – all of the nukes it has. Its weapons capability is moving to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana as the AF further consolidates after the Cold War and infrastructure budget cuts because of Iraq et al. Moving weapons capability to Barksdale, in real world terms, means moving the actual missiles that would deliver the nuclear warhead to Barksdale. No big deal, conventional weapons move all the time. Nuclear warheads, however, when transported for these reasons, are moved by the Department of Energy – a very time consuming, expensive, and burdensome process that someone else will have to figure out much later once they finally decide to close the base.

      So, the Air Force's solution is to move the missiles, and leave the warheads behind, to be dealt with one day when all of us are retired and don't have to worry about it. That's what SHOULD have happened. So the mission itself was pretty normal otherwise. (It may actually be intentional to leave things this way, to prevent Congressional involvement, as whatever Senator is from ND is probably desperate to keep Minot around as long as possible; leaving the nukes, but operationally stripping the base serves both sides purposes).

       

      The mistake, and the reason everyone now knows about this, is that the warheads weren't removed from the missiles being moved to Barksdale. I bet the guys on the ground in Barksdale were sure as shit surprised when they cracked the payload open and saw a warhead. ;)

       

      I know as much as I do because I work with a cross-trainee whose last base was Barksdale as a munitions specialist. He was involved in this process there; along with the various other missions Barksdale has (it's a pretty critical base in the AF). Anyway, you would think there would be a pretty clear checklist for all of this, but apparently no one even bothered. Doing what they do day-to-day, is pretty standard operating procedure. People get lazy when they do the same thing day after day, and there's no less than a half dozen teams who would be transferring these weapons around from storage until they're loaded. The idea of someone dropping the ball in the AF is not exactly unusual (quite common, actually, heh), especially when 4:30 rolls around and everyone wants to go home. If the next step is to hand it off to the guys who remove the warhead, and it's 1630 on a Friday, hell, let's just leave it until Monday, since the mission doesn't fly until Tuesday anyway. Monday rolls around, someone else takes over, and doesn't know the job wasn't finished on Friday. There SHOULD be some paper trail for that kind of thing, but then, like I said, people are lazy. Oh, and Minot usually fails its nuclear operational readiness inspections. ;) Sorry to kill your confidence in the military.

       

      I've seen too much crazy stuff to believe in some massive conspiracy, there's too many people involved. You'd have to kill like 50 people to "cover up" moving nukes to Barksdale. Plus, what would it achieve? There's already more than enough nukes at Barksdale to blow the world up 3x over. Who needs 6 more? Seriously? Plus, more accidents occur with conventional than nukes, since nukes are computerized and designed to be super-duper safe. Conventional weapons are built by the lowest bidder. [Yikes!] I'd be more worried about a fully-loaded F16 flying around NYC after 9/11 sucking up a bird than a B52 with nukes flying around without anyone knowing it was loaded with nukes. The pilots couldn't "secretly" be in on it and launch them, the interface wouldn't be installed, the COMSEC material wouldn't be available, etc. You'd have to kill half the base to hide the paper trail necessary to give the pilots the ability to launch.

      Several people dying from Minot is bad, of course, but then, crazy stuff happens. Motorcycle accidents, mind you, are the #1 non-war cause of dead in the Air Force. The Captain who died wasn't a pilot (he was Combat Weather, as evidenced by his pewter beret in the photo linked from your site). Captains are a dime a dozen, just like the Security Forces troop who died. Yes, a part of the Security Forces Squadron mission there would be do defend the nukes, but he's not at all involved in any of the process. He stands outside the door and checks IDs. Seriously, that's it. I have 5 cops (as they're generally called in the Air Force) I deal with every day where I work because I do computer stuff, and they have zero clue what's happening behind the door. They spend most of the day on the phone chit chatting with friends at other security posts about the latest dorm gossip about who slept with whom.

       

      So, to conclude, just chill out a bit about the conspiracy, it's kinda silly. Plus, again, what would be the point? It's not a big deal to authorize a nuke mission. After 9/11 the entire Barksdale arsenal was loaded and on the flightline ready to fly. I wouldn't sweat 6 who someone forgot to unload.

      Feel free to republish, maybe it'll educate a few people.

      V/r
      SSgt

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      Rebuttal to 'Opposing View'
      The following email was sent to CLG on 19 September.

      Subject: comments closed?
      http://www.legitgov.org/minot_afb_nukes_oddities.html

      I'm NOT anonymous, and I take issue with the anonymous "ssgt" statements.

      I'm a cold war vet from the US Navy, one who worked as part of an operation designed to exhaust and bankrupt the Soviet military, by constantly testing their limitations. This SSgt is a defacto shill for a propaganda machine.

       

      1st.

      Bullsheep. Plain and simple. IF this "SSgt" was actually just debunking a load of Steaming Holstein, none of his command would have much issue with any of his statements, especially publicly available facts such as retention rates and base activities that are noted on google.com, mil.gov, wikipedia, and many other websites worldwide. There is no need to be anonymous when you're not releasing classified data, is there? Saying "there is not a plot" is not contrary to secure data, even if there is not a plot.

       

      2nd

      6 people dying within days of a world-record nuclear screw-up is decidedly newsworthy, and suspicious, in itself. The rate of fatalities in the military isn't that high even in war zones.

       

      3rd

      The "Decider" has already stated that he believes the USA has the right to bomb Iran , and that he will not certify that he'd refuse to use nukes. "No option is off the table" as he is fond of saying. I think that's pretty damn clear, being as it is coming from the Commander In Chief.

       

      4th

      The military reporting of these incidents is itself contrary to military secrecy, reason, and law. I suspect an altogether different agenda. I believe that this high-level press coverage of a screw up, carrying nukes on B52s, is designed to use the US Media [gasp, they've never done that before!] to pressure Iran to meet US demands.

      a.

      The US military would never release to the public any real classified data, especially including data about moved or missing nukes, without authority from the White House.

      b.

      The US media is NOT entitled to print or distribute classified information, and is NEVER brought-in as it was in this case, so rapidly or on such an elemental and critical faux paus.

      c.

      The only logical excuse for the sudden and detail-filled news coverage of this event is that of an intentional release of data for political purposes.

       

      5th

      Declaring that the US Military is lying in the media isn't illegal provided that one does not expose any actual events or secrets, or violate the UCMJ by disobeying a direct order. All soldiers still have their civil rights. These rights are merely waived as needed for valid military purposes, as it is the job of a soldier to take abnormal risks and bear state secrets.

       

      If it was really a secret, the anonymous sergeant would now be a traitor to the USA , just by talking about it. Thus, the implication that the letter is legit, is ALSO an implication that the letter is NOT legit. There is no need to be anonymous if it's not a secret. QED. This is an example of a circular argument.

      Thus, "I" am not violating any UCMJ or Federal laws by stating that it's bunk. You can't cite me for a double negative: I'm stating that what doesn't exist, doesn't not exist. We call that the First Amendment, and whether Dumbya likes it or not, it's still in force. I'm saying that there is no pink elephant.

      The missiles were moved, without any doubts, intentionally; OR The missiles were never moved and the press coverage is based on propaganda to scare Iran ; OR the missiles were moved and the press coverage is based on propaganda to scare Iran . You can't prove or disprove what the US military has done without EXTERNAL data. They'll say whatever they want to suit themselves.

       

      Sincerely,

       

      Don Lee E3/EW
      US Navy vet

      ASWOC 574 Jacksonville FL

      Top Secret and other clearances [inactive]

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      --- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "union_faruque" <union_faruque@...> wrote:

      Missing Nukes and Bin Laden

       

      Please check the link should you wish.

      Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads

       

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      Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads

      Story Highlights

       

      All stateside Air Force fighter, bomber flights to be halted September 14

      Plane was moving missiles whose warheads were supposed to be removed

      Nuclear warheads were accidentally left on the missiles, military officials say

      Public was never in danger; nukes could not have detonated, spokesman says


      WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, prompting a major investigation, military officials have confirmed.

      A B-52 is seen on the ground at Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana , in this file photo.

      The plane took the cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base for decommissioning Thursday, the Air Force said.

       

      "This is a major gaffe, and it's going to cause some heads to roll down the line," said Don Shepperd, a retired Air Force major general and military analyst for CNN.

       

      Shepperd said the United States had agreed in a Cold War-era treaty not to fly nuclear weapons. "It appears that what happened was this treaty agreement was violated," he said.

       

      The warheads should have been removed from the missiles before they were attached to the B-52 bomber, according to military officials.

      Watch the report on the military's investigation »

       

      The crew was unaware that the plane was carrying nuclear weapons, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the extraordinary sensitivity and security surrounding the case.

       

      The mistake was discovered after the plane's flight to Louisiana .

       

      Minot Air Force Base is in north central North Dakota , and Barksdale Air Force Base is in northwest Louisiana near the Texas border.

       

      Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell made clear that concerns about the "error" had escalated to the highest levels.

       

      "Secretary [of Defense Robert] Gates was quickly informed of this incident ... and he has been receiving daily briefings from Gen. Buzz Moseley, the Air Force chief of staff, on actions that the Air Force is taking and the progress of their investigation," Morrell told reporters Wednesday.

       

      "I can also tell you that it's important enough that President Bush was notified of it."

      Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton, head of the House Armed Services Committee, called the revelation "deeply disturbing." He said Wednesday that the committee will press the military to "strengthen controls" after the incident.

       

      Military officials told CNN that the incident was a major breach of security rules surrounding nuclear weapons. One official said that he could not recall anything similar happening.

       

      The Air Force announced that all flights of fighters and bombers in the United States will be halted on September 14 to allow for a review of procedures.

       

      Once the mistake was discovered, the Air Force immediately began an inventory of all of its nuclear weapons, a military official said.

       

      Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at the Air Combat Command in Langley , Virginia , has been ordered to investigate how the nuclear-tipped missiles were flown across the country without anyone knowing, officials said.

      The squad commander responsible for the munitions has been relieved of duty, and several others have been "decertified" from handling nuclear weapons, officials said.

       

      A military official told CNN there was no nuclear risk to public safety because the weapons were not armed. Officials believe that if the plane had crashed or the missiles somehow had fallen off the wings, the warheads would have remained inert and there would have been no nuclear detonation, though conventional explosive material in the warhead could have detonated.

       

      Military officials also say the missiles could not have been launched because of multiple security procedures required to be enacted before any launch would have been authorized.

       

      Shepperd agreed with military officials that the situation could not have caused a nuclear detonation.

       

      But he added, "Any time you have nuclear material on board, if the airplane crashes, nuclear material can be spread in the immediate area of the crash, so you get radioactivity in the immediate area of the crash."

       

      "This is serious business, but it was not dangerous business," Shepperd said.

       

      The story was first reported by the Military Times, a group of privately published newspaper.




      --- In USQuagmire@yahoogroups.com, "union_faruque" <union_faruque@...> wrote:

       

      Missing Nukes and Bin Laden

       

       

      Our Moral Rights and American Duty are two carcinogenic clusters in USA , UK and Australia .

       

      However, in this link one of the stories makes an attempt to talk about the six pilots who handled missing nukes are now dead! What do you know about it? Do you remember the story where the US bomber loaded with six nuclear warheads by mistake?

       

      Apart from the CNN, newsvine.com, Boston Globe, Wikipedia and a few `scary canaries' no one is talking! But again Persecuted and Oppressed Minority must not be ignored!

       

      Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11 of 1967, 9/11 of 2001 and Mistaken Nukes point out to people who control America.

       

      Remember Iraq pullout would hurt Israel and Iraq Was Invaded to Secure Israel!

       

      Source: Free America Now, Religion and Terrorism, Ershad Manji  

       

       

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