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Re: [Adria-Umbria] Re: Looking for Sponsors for Rule Changes for the Combat Manual

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  • keara craig
    I would have to agree with His Majesty, Sir Philippe, on this.  How would it be able to be tested on the field?  I totally agree there should be other period
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      I would have to agree with His Majesty, Sir Philippe, on this.  How would it be able to be tested on the field?  I totally agree there should be other period types of viable armor available to combatants.

      In Service.
      LK Keara

      --- On Wed, 4/25/12, Victor Grady <hellfireguitarphxaz@...> wrote:

      From: Victor Grady <hellfireguitarphxaz@...>
      Subject: Re: [Adria-Umbria] Re: Looking for Sponsors for Rule Changes for the Combat Manual
      To: Adria-Umbria@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 9:53 PM

       

      Sir Cameron,I would love to help sponsor this,but what kind of testing are we going to do to prove that it is indeed tempered to that level?
      In service
      HRM Sir Philippe
      Imperial Minister of War and Joust

      On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Fitz <msfitz1@...> wrote:
       


      ---- Fitz <msfitz1@...> wrote:

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      Greetings to all Imperial Estates Holders, Sir Jaroslav and myself are looking for addtional sponsors for the following Proposal to be added to the upcoming July Imperial Estates meeting. Sir Jaroslav is willing to provide all empirical and logical evidence for this proposal to any who have questions, so please ask if you have any.

      NB Additions to III. Armor and Weapon Standards
      A.    1. Equivalents add 18 ga tempered spring steel between 40-55 Rockwell to the Rigid material list.
      E.    2. c. Equivalents add 18 ga tempered spring steel between 40-55 Rockwell to List
            3. d. Equivalents add 18 ga tempered spring steel between 40-55 Rockwell to List
             5. a.  Elbows and knees must be covered with steel cop of at least 16 ga mild steel, 18 ga stainless, or 18 ga tempered spring steel between 40-55 Rockwell. The Cops further are to have either a wing protecting the inside of the elbow or a combination of thick padding and maille performing the same function.
             6. g. Equivalents add 18 ga tempered spring steel between 40-55 Rockwell to List

      Commentary: This amendment allows people to approach a more period mode of armour construction (thinner but harder materials which do not have the obviously modern look of stainless) and would allow for a more diverse set of choices (these would now include XIII century armour construction, Eastern European armour, and so on) keeping the participant's outfits truer to historical analogs and would help in the direction of increased historical authenticity. It is further my opinion that wings on elbow and knee cops do not protect from the most dangerous mishaps (accidental thrusts by a sword, or being hit there with the guard). In fact it seems that the presence of the wing merely places a false sense of security on both combatants. I find that the combination of gambeson and chainmail on the inside of the elbow to be a better protection of bodily functions than the rigid wing (except for XV-XVI century wrap-around wings which pretty much enclose the entire elbow). It is of a further frustration that Adria is focused on 1066-1603 Europe and all countries of substantial influence, but armour that is Adria-legal starts out only in the XIV century and is localized only to certain sections of Western Europe, thus excluding the Islamic world and armours between XI and XIV. I have heard that there are no viable alternatives to the wing, and when I present such alternatives the usual objection is that "this is untested, this requires too many people to want the change, and things are fine as they are..."

      In service,

      Sir Cameron Kilshannig
      Earl of Carlow and Olc


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