Re: [ancientmediterranean] Re: A Climate Change Manhattan Project
DD Farms wrote:
At 05:32 PM 12/31/2007, Roger Bagula wrote:
>There seems to be a nearly universal feeling among scientists ( in
>all fields across the board)
> that we need to spend time and money on a project ( a global
> warming/ climate change Manhattan project)
>to design fixes for the climate change problem. That money of all
>the world's governments
>needs to be spent on this research goal...My suggestion is that if a
>presidential candidate isn't for such a project,
>that we universally don't vote for him or her ( regardless of
>political party... ).
DD: I am an emeritus member of Sigma Xi, the Honorary Society for
Scientists that have done original work. There is hardly what I would
call, "a nearly universal feeling across the board" that there even
is a warming. It depends on the base year you use whether the world
temperature is hotter or colder. If you mean in the last years since
the Ice Age ended, then you are pretty safe. That humans contribute
is undoubtedly true, but so do termite emissions. What our percent
influence is is rather uncertain. Still, it deserves consideration. I
would be more interested in hearing from those that actually study
the problem scientifically, than in the considerations of a rural
sociologist, for example. Still, the use of tax money for the study
is more appropriately decided by the folks from whom the tax is
garnered. Their collective consideration as to the benefit cost
relationship as to their own quality of life or living. Personally,
and rather heartlessly, I feel that it would increase my own if we
did the massive WX activity, than to spend the tax money on feeding
the starving in Whatsoeverland. Just my cronky Utility curve.
I just just did work on the solar activity
as the basis of global warming idea
and used the fractal dimension of
the temperature curve against the sun spot curve to prove that the temperature rise is independent.
You know that history is what I do when I'm not doing more important work.
I think of it as fun...
The United Nations reports are universal
across the board in all the sciences
and scientists consulted that the temperature rise is taking place
and that it is accelerating.
I can give you as much documentation that you can download
and check for yourself.
You attitude and reaction is one of the reasons
why I use "active" in front of many of my groups.
You seem to have grown out of touch with the present
and live in a past that is simpler and nicer than a future without polar ice caps will probably be.
The Arctic ocean ice will all be melted bu summer 2013
according to current estimates.
Yes, everyone who has given serious consideration to the problem
thinks that action before the train runs away completely
is what we should be doing.
The engineering programs proposed run from ocean co2 injection
to pumping sea water into desert regions to
keep the sea levels down.
Salting the north Atlantic is the subject of one serious "hard" sci fi
based on the future of our world in the coming 20 years by Kin Stanley Robinson.
The problem of rapid climate change is one that is also real.
If you want the human race to have a future as well as a history,
I suggest that start rethinking your ideas and doing some "current"
Here is a place to start your reading :
(a site which has been recently updated)
I suggest that you learn to care about the future of humanity.
Respectfully, Roger L. Bagula 11759Waterhill Road, Lakeside,Ca 92040-2905,tel: 619-5610814 :http://www.geocities.com/rlbagulatftn/Index.html alternative email: rlbagula@...