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Re: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] dyeing

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  • Susan Bingham
    Where s the like button on here? Great advice, and about tapestries, too! ::swoon:: Albreda, who snipped ;) ... From: Nest verch Tangwistel
    Message 1 of 40 , Jan 30, 2013
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      Where's the 'like' button on here? Great advice, and about tapestries, too! ::swoon::


      Albreda, who snipped ;)



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      From: Nest verch Tangwistel <eastarch@...>
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      Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 6:55 pm
      Subject: Re: [AandS50ChallengeCommunity] dyeing





      One other place you can look for the textile colors is in tapestries. I think of them as a great unused source of colors. The front of many tapestries are quite faded, but the back is often still very bright, and since they are made with the same dyes you can assume those colors were available. It does not tend to be that easy to find pictures of the back of the tapestries, but they do exist. Look through any books you run into on early tapestry, and you are likely to find at least a few pictures of the back. One of my favorite pictures compares the front of a fairly late period tapestry with the back of the same region. You can see some of the reds have faded to a dull beige, but other reds are still as dark as they were the day they were woven.

      Nest









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    • lilinah-h
      ... Trying to dye cotton is as difficult as trying to dye linen, as both are cellulose fibers and they don t take most natural dyes. They can be colored, but
      Message 40 of 40 , Feb 6, 2013
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        Vasilisa wrote:
        > Actually, I believe cotton dyes quite easily. It is on linen that most (natural) dyes
        > don't take.

        Trying to dye cotton is as difficult as trying to dye linen, as both are cellulose fibers and they don't take most natural dyes.

        They can be colored, but the dye will not be fast and will fade and/or wash out. This is not considered desirable. Also, the color tends to be rather pale, also not a desirable trait within SCA-period.

        Both can be readily dyed with indigo, which is a vat dye and does not require a mordant. Any other dyes are much more difficult, if not nearly impossible to reach a saturated intense color. Madder is one of the few, but there are tricks to dyeing cotton and linen with madder, which Europeans didn't know until after the end of SCA-period, but which were used in the Middle East.

        Modernly cotton does dye well with FIBER REACTIVE DYES, as do linen, rayon, hemp, ramie, bamboo, and nettle. Procion dyes were the first readily available fiber reactive dye and they were introduced in 1956, well out of SCA-period. Fiber reactive dyes do not require mordants and dye in cold water, and are light fast and color fast (i.e., don't wash out). They often need a base added to make the water alkaline.

        I have limited experience dyeing (i took two dyeing classes in university) -- with natural dyes and with the mordants alum, tin, and chrome on a range of fibers/fabrics including cotton. Also with modern chemical indigo, with acid dyes (bubble bubble toil and trouble), and with Procion dyes. I prefer natural dyes, but while they work well on protein fibers -- wool and silk -- they don't work well on cellulose fibers -- linen and cotton.

        Urtatim (that's oor-tah-TEEM)
        the persona formerly known as Anahita
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