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RE: [ARRL-LOTW] Problems and Opportunities

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  • rojomn
    My idea if I need it is to hire someone to do it for me J Let s see, 1 Line every 10 seconds, 10000 lines, 100000 seconds, ~ 28 hours. Now at 10 bucks an hour
    Message 1 of 86 , Oct 1, 2008

      My idea if I need it is to hire someone to do it for me J

      Let’s see, 1 Line every 10 seconds, 10000 lines, 100000 seconds, ~ 28 hours. Now at 10 bucks an hour which might be reachable it would be 280 bucks to do the job, probably worth it. Cheaper than the hardware and software to automate it, even at 20 bucks an hour.



      Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron
      N 44.082147  W 92.513085 1050' EN34rb
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      From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave AA6YQ
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:25 PM
      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] Problems and Opportunities


      Recognizing scanned handwriting is far less reliable than recognizing scanned text; unless you used a typewriter when logging, I suspect that it would take much longer to find and correct the errors than it would to just type in the data. But if your printing is letter perfect, you could try scanning a log page into an spreadsheet, and then use the spreadsheet-to-ADIF technique described below. If you give this a try, Ron, please let us know how this goes.


      I have experimented with speech-to-text, Gil; its slower than typing, and requires you to be in a quiet place. It also requires more concentration than typing, at least for me.


      DXKeeper provides two "styles" of logging. Normally, its configured for real-time logging -- so when you enter a callsign, it set's the QSO's frequency, band, and mode to your transceiver's current settings, sets the "QSO Start" time to "now", and fills in a host of default values (your callsign, TX power, etc). When you log the QSO, it records the "QSO End" time.


      With a click in one box, however, you can optimize DXKeeper for entering QSOs from paper logs. When you type in a callsign and strike the Enter key, it sets the QSO's frequency, band, and mode to that of the previous QSO you entered, and sets the "QSO Start" time to the "QSO End" time of the previous QSO you entered plus 1 second; you can add or subtract minutes to this time by clicking the up or down arrow keys respectively. LotW requires that QSO times match within 30 minutes, so if your paper log contains a string of QSOs made on the same band and mode, you could record the band, mode, and start time for the first of these QSOs, but then record the next 15 minutes worth of QSOs by typing in the callsign the Enter key, and CTRL-L (to save) for each. For the next QSO, you'd adjust the "QSO Start" time before logging, and then enter another 15 minutes worth. Band or mode changes would of course require extra keystrokes. Once you get the rhythm, you can log QSOs pretty quickly -- at least until you run into a section where you QSY'd between each QSO. This 15-minute accuracy is fine if your QSO partners are also accurate to within 15 minutes; otherwise, there will be no matches in LotW.


      DF3CB has implemented a similar technique in his free FLE (Fast Log Entry) program, available via http://www.df3cb.com/fle/index.html. As he says, "The idea was to make entering QSO data as easy and fast as possible. The principle is that only that data is entered that has changed from one QSO to the next." FLE generates an ADIF file, which you can then import into your favorite logging application. I've thought about providing an FLE-style interface to DXKeeper -- I don't think it will save keystrokes over the current capability, but some users may find it easier to use.


      Some ops prefer entering QSOs into a spreadsheet -- they've worked with spreadsheet programs and are comfortable with their user interface. Rick VE3IAY (now VE3KI) and Graeme G6CSY have done some excellent work on enabling spreadsheets that contain one QSO per row to generate an ADIF file, which can then be imported into your logging application. See http://www.storm.ca/~ve3iay/spreadsh.html> and http://www.g6csy.net/ham/adif.html for the details. If you're starting from scratch, you can use the sample spreadsheet in http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxkeeper/ExcelADIF.xls as a starting point.


      Short of a telepathic interface or a breakthrough in handwriting recognition or somehow turning the process into a game, I don't see a way to enter 10K QSOs from a paper logbook without enduring some amount of tedium. If anyone has better ideas, fire away.




                 Dave, AA6YQ









      -----Original Message-----
      From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ron Wetjen
      Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 5:28 PM
      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] Problems and Opportunities

      rojomn wrote:

      > How about speech to text?

      What about OCR - Optical character recognition? OCR is the mechanical
      or electronic translation of images of handwritten, typewritten or
      printed text (usually captured by a scanner) into machine-editable text.

      Not perfect, but I've been able to scan text before, and turn that into
      a workable document. One would think a logbook would be an easy thing
      to scan and convert.


    • Bill Gearhiser
      ... It s unclear whether this is just rhetorical, but lemme point out that if you re serious about letting somebody else do it, there s always the Mechanical
      Message 86 of 86 , Oct 7, 2008
        > > My idea if I need it is to hire someone to do it for me
        > I'd probably pay per QSO (.28 cents/QSO is the same amount of money).
        > Find a young'in at the next meeting and offer it up. Worth a try.

        It's unclear whether this is just rhetorical, but lemme point out that
        if you're serious about letting somebody else do it, there's always
        the Mechanical Turk at amazon.com. (https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome)

        You can put up a job of any type and offer, say, a penny per QSO, and
        somebody out there will do it to keep from having to watch Jerry Springer.

        Just a suggestion

        73, W5EPW
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