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  • R Johnson
    I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!! I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of them on 6M. I wonder if LoTW has made
    Message 1 of 16 , Jun 4, 2006
      I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
      I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
      them on 6M.

      I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

      Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
      and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
      Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

      Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

      73
      Bob, K1VU
    • Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
      Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order... Exchange might be call and name, then an upload... Thanks, Dave NK7Z/NNN0RDO http://www.nk7z.net Secrecy is
      Message 2 of 16 , Jun 4, 2006
        Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

        Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

        Thanks,
        Dave
        NK7Z/NNN0RDO
        http://www.nk7z.net

        Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long


        -----Original Message-----
        From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
        Behalf Of R Johnson
        Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


        I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
        I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
        them on 6M.

        I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

        Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
        and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
        Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

        Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

        73
        Bob, K1VU





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      • Patrick Hoppe
        Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting a Cabrillo log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in cheek, but the more
        Message 3 of 16 , Jun 4, 2006
          Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting a Cabrillo
          log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in cheek, but the
          more you say it out loud the better it sounds.

          Dave, you may be onto something here...

          Pat
          WW9R

          -----Original Message-----
          From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
          Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
          To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama

          Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

          Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

          Thanks,
          Dave
          NK7Z/NNN0RDO
          http://www.nk7z.net

          Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long


          -----Original Message-----
          From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
          Behalf Of R Johnson
          Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
          To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


          I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
          I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
          them on 6M.

          I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

          Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
          and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
          Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

          Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

          73
          Bob, K1VU





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        • Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
          Actually I said it in hopes someone from the ARRL might take up the call... I can think of nothing better than a WAS in a weekend to get folks to see how
          Message 4 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
            Actually I said it in hopes someone from the ARRL might take up the call...
            I can think of nothing better than a WAS in a weekend to get folks to see
            how useful this tool is...

            Thanks,
            Dave
            NK7Z/NNN0RDO
            http://www.nk7z.net

            "I came, I saw, she conquered." (The original Latin seems to have been
            garbled.) --Lazarus Long


            -----Original Message-----
            From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
            Behalf Of Patrick Hoppe
            Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 21:01
            To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


            Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting a Cabrillo
            log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in cheek, but the
            more you say it out loud the better it sounds.

            Dave, you may be onto something here...

            Pat
            WW9R

            -----Original Message-----
            From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
            Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
            Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
            To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama

            Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...

            Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...

            Thanks,
            Dave
            NK7Z/NNN0RDO
            http://www.nk7z.net

            Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long


            -----Original Message-----
            From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]On
            Behalf Of R Johnson
            Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
            To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama


            I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
            I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
            them on 6M.

            I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!

            Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
            and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
            Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!

            Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.

            73
            Bob, K1VU





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          • Bill
            To all LotW users, The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW contest.
            Message 5 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
              To all LotW users,

              The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
              contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
              contest. As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
              have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
              callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
              http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com . This group of
              contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
              downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
              make a contest very easy. In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
              to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
              users to participate in the actual contest for awards. The event
              would be run, at a "yet to be selected date". Since everyone could
              be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
              LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
              logs had to be uploaded to LotW. But obviously current LotW users
              could upload right away. After approximately a six week period,
              those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
              lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
              After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
              software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
              following.
              -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
              and that the other station has also a matching QSO. If the other
              station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
              lotwreport.adi file. Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
              by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files. Also, if there is a QSL
              with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
              over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
              the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
              submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
              -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
              before the end of the wait period.
              -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
              uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
              receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
              having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
              (file) submittal did not verify).
              -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
              Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
              -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
              related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
              recognition.
              -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

              There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
              stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
              verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
              The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
              LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
              for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

              The process described above does not require ARRL support. But we
              would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
              an LotW contest that was similar to this.

              A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
              for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

              Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
              direct EMAIL.

              Bill, N5RR


              --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
              >
              > Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting
              a Cabrillo
              > log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in
              cheek, but the
              > more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
              >
              > Dave, you may be onto something here...
              >
              > Pat
              > WW9R
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
              On Behalf
              > Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
              > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
              > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
              >
              > Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
              >
              > Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
              >
              > Thanks,
              > Dave
              > NK7Z/NNN0RDO
              > http://www.nk7z.net
              >
              > Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
              On
              > Behalf Of R Johnson
              > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
              > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
              >
              >
              > I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
              > I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
              > them on 6M.
              >
              > I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
              >
              > Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
              > and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
              > Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
              >
              > Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
              >
              > 73
              > Bob, K1VU
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            • Patrick Hoppe
              What a great idea! Would you run this concurrently with a Big contest, like possibly Sweepstakes? Since it doesn t relay on any form of exchange, it could
              Message 6 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
                What a great idea! Would you run this concurrently with a Big contest, like
                possibly Sweepstakes? Since it doesn't relay on any form of exchange, it
                could "fit over" any and all contests. Kind of like another category ie "TB
                and wires" My apologies if I sound too excited here, but I have 16K+ Q's in
                LOTW and only 3300 confirmed. I would love to get that percentage up.

                Keep it moving forward...
                Pat
                WW9R

                -----Original Message-----
                From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of Bill
                Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:56 AM
                To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

                To all LotW users,

                The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
                contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
                contest. As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
                have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
                callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
                http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com . This group of
                contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
                downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
                make a contest very easy. In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
                to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
                users to participate in the actual contest for awards. The event
                would be run, at a "yet to be selected date". Since everyone could
                be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
                LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
                logs had to be uploaded to LotW. But obviously current LotW users
                could upload right away. After approximately a six week period,
                those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
                lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
                After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
                software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
                following.
                -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
                and that the other station has also a matching QSO. If the other
                station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
                lotwreport.adi file. Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
                by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files. Also, if there is a QSL
                with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
                over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
                the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
                submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
                -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
                before the end of the wait period.
                -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
                uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
                receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
                having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
                (file) submittal did not verify).
                -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
                Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
                -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
                related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
                recognition.
                -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

                There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
                stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
                verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
                The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
                LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
                for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

                The process described above does not require ARRL support. But we
                would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
                an LotW contest that was similar to this.

                A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
                for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

                Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
                direct EMAIL.

                Bill, N5RR


                --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
                >
                > Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting
                a Cabrillo
                > log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in
                cheek, but the
                > more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
                >
                > Dave, you may be onto something here...
                >
                > Pat
                > WW9R
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                On Behalf
                > Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
                > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
                > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                >
                > Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
                >
                > Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
                >
                > Thanks,
                > Dave
                > NK7Z/NNN0RDO
                > http://www.nk7z.net
                >
                > Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long
                >
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                On
                > Behalf Of R Johnson
                > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
                > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                >
                >
                > I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
                > I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
                > them on 6M.
                >
                > I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
                >
                > Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
                > and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
                > Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
                >
                > Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
                >
                > 73
                > Bob, K1VU
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              • Vladimir V. Sidorov
                Gents, It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another solution, a quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just LotW Activity Days .
                Message 7 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
                  Gents,

                  It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another solution, a
                  quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW Activity
                  Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                  No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules are needed:
                  - time frame
                  - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH (state,
                  province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                  - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the Activity
                  Days to the LoTW.

                  That's it!

                  And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made potentially
                  improves your score towards an award.

                  The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I keep my
                  mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...

                  73,

                  Vladimir VE3IAE


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                  > To all LotW users,
                  >
                  > The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
                  > contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
                  > contest. As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
                  > have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
                  > callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
                  > http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com . This group of
                  > contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
                  > downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
                  > make a contest very easy. In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
                  > to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
                  > users to participate in the actual contest for awards. The event
                  > would be run, at a "yet to be selected date". Since everyone could
                  > be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
                  > LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
                  > logs had to be uploaded to LotW. But obviously current LotW users
                  > could upload right away. After approximately a six week period,
                  > those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
                  > lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
                  > After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
                  > software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
                  > following.
                  > -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
                  > and that the other station has also a matching QSO. If the other
                  > station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
                  > lotwreport.adi file. Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
                  > by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files. Also, if there is a QSL
                  > with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
                  > over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
                  > the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
                  > submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
                  > -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
                  > before the end of the wait period.
                  > -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
                  > uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
                  > receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
                  > having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
                  > (file) submittal did not verify).
                  > -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
                  > Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
                  > -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
                  > related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
                  > recognition.
                  > -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.
                  >
                  > There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
                  > stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
                  > verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
                  > The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
                  > LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
                  > for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.
                  >
                  > The process described above does not require ARRL support. But we
                  > would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
                  > an LotW contest that was similar to this.
                  >
                  > A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
                  > for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.
                  >
                  > Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
                  > direct EMAIL.
                  >
                  > Bill, N5RR
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of submitting
                  > a Cabrillo
                  >> log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in
                  > cheek, but the
                  >> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
                  >>
                  >> Dave, you may be onto something here...
                  >>
                  >> Pat
                  >> WW9R
                  >>
                  >> -----Original Message-----
                  >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                  > On Behalf
                  >> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
                  >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
                  >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                  >>
                  >> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
                  >>
                  >> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
                  >>
                  >> Thanks,
                  >> Dave
                  >> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
                  >> http://www.nk7z.net
                  >>
                  >> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> -----Original Message-----
                  >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                  > On
                  >> Behalf Of R Johnson
                  >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
                  >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
                  >> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
                  >> them on 6M.
                  >>
                  >> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
                  >>
                  >> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
                  >> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
                  >> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
                  >>
                  >> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
                  >>
                  >> 73
                  >> Bob, K1VU
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                • Jerry Keller
                  I d like to help get things going by sponsoring the award for the USA winner. 73, Jerry K3BZ ... From: Bill To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
                    I'd like to help get things going by sponsoring the award for the USA winner.
                    73, Jerry K3BZ
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Bill
                    Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:55 AM
                    Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

                    To all LotW users,

                    The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
                    contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
                    contest.  As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and myself
                    have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
                    callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
                    http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com .  This group of
                    contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
                    downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that would
                    make a contest very easy.  In a nutshell, the method is to allow all
                    to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
                    users to participate in the actual contest for awards.  The event
                    would be run, at a "yet to be selected date".  Since everyone could
                    be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up for
                    LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
                    logs had to be uploaded to LotW.  But obviously current LotW users
                    could upload right away.  After approximately a six week period,
                    those entering the contest would would have two weeks to download an
                    lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee. 
                    After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log processing
                    software processing of the entry would be done with respect to the
                    following. 
                    -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the file
                    and that the other station has also a matching QSO.  If the other
                    station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
                    lotwreport.adi file.  Both logs must be submitted to avoid cheating
                    by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files.  Also, if there is a QSL
                    with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file and
                    over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed that
                    the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just didn't
                    submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
                    -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
                    before the end of the wait period.
                    -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
                    uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
                    receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and then
                    having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
                    (file) submittal did not verify).
                    -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as to
                    Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
                    -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
                    related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
                    recognition.
                    -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.

                    There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
                    stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of QSO
                    verification, multiplier determination, and score generation. 
                    The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of new
                    LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
                    for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.

                    The process described above does not require ARRL support.  But we
                    would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to announce
                    an LotW contest that was similar to this.

                    A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-ups
                    for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be minimized.

                    Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
                    direct EMAIL.

                    Bill, N5RR


                    --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end.  Instead of submitting
                    a Cabrillo
                    > log, you submit your log to LOTW.  This started out tongue in
                    cheek, but the
                    > more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
                    >
                    > Dave, you may be onto something here...
                    >
                    > Pat
                    > WW9R
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                    On Behalf
                    > Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
                    > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                    >
                    > Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
                    >
                    > Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    > Dave
                    > NK7Z/NNN0RDO
                    > http://www.nk7z.net
                    >
                    > Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.  --Lazarus Long
                    >
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                    On
                    > Behalf Of R Johnson
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
                    > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                    >
                    >
                    > I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
                    > I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
                    > them on 6M.
                    >
                    > I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
                    >
                    > Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
                    > and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
                    > Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
                    >
                    > Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
                    >
                    > 73
                    > Bob, K1VU
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >

                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >

                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >





                  • Bill
                    This event could also be run over an extended time period, but from past experience it needs to be made into a timed contest to generate the flurry of activity
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
                      This event could also be run over an extended time period, but from
                      past experience it needs to be made into a timed contest to generate
                      the flurry of activity and desired results of the objectives noted
                      below.

                      Actually entry is not complicated at all and simpler than for other
                      contests since the participant doesn't even have to worry about
                      points, multipliers, or submit a score, all those would be
                      automatically generated. Process would be:

                      1) upload your log file as either Cabrillo or ADI format;
                      2) wait a pre-determined time and then download an lotwreport.adi
                      file; and
                      3) email a copy of the report to the contest.

                      Contesters work on incentives -- the recognition of high scores
                      would generate many new LotW members

                      There a two main objectives for a contest besides the actual contest
                      itself which are:

                      1. Get more of the contesters to upload their logs to LotW which
                      would give QSLs for their country/state/grid square to those they
                      will work and also to those they have worked in the past.

                      2. Get more world-wide amateurs to take the time to join LotW.

                      Bill, N5RR


                      --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Vladimir V. Sidorov" <ve3iae@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Gents,
                      >
                      > It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
                      solution, a
                      > quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW
                      Activity
                      > Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                      > No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules
                      are needed:
                      > - time frame
                      > - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH
                      (state,
                      > province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                      > - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the
                      Activity
                      > Days to the LoTW.
                      >
                      > That's it!
                      >
                      > And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
                      potentially
                      > improves your score towards an award.
                      >
                      > The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I
                      keep my
                      > mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
                      >
                      > 73,
                      >
                      > Vladimir VE3IAE
                      >
                      >
                      > ---
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > > To all LotW users,
                      > >
                      > > The last couple of messages address a situation which some of us
                      > > contesters have been looking at for a weeks, that being an LotW
                      > > contest. As many know, for the last year Robert, HB9BZA and
                      myself
                      > > have been continually updating a LotW user list, now at 12,397
                      > > callsigns and 293 countries represented and available at either
                      > > http://www.hb9bza.com or http://www.bbcyber.com . This group of
                      > > contesters and I have worked out a scheme for log submittals,
                      > > downloads, download processing, and verification/scoring that
                      would
                      > > make a contest very easy. In a nutshell, the method is to allow
                      all
                      > > to participate, but only those that are actually signed up LotW
                      > > users to participate in the actual contest for awards. The event
                      > > would be run, at a "yet to be selected date". Since everyone
                      could
                      > > be in the contest and to give those interested time to sign up
                      for
                      > > LotW after the contest, there would be a wait period before final
                      > > logs had to be uploaded to LotW. But obviously current LotW
                      users
                      > > could upload right away. After approximately a six week period,
                      > > those entering the contest would would have two weeks to
                      download an
                      > > lotwreport.adi file and EMAIL that file to the contest committee.
                      > > After the final date for lotwreport file submittal, log
                      processing
                      > > software processing of the entry would be done with respect to
                      the
                      > > following.
                      > > -- QSO is valid by the fact that there is a valid entry in the
                      file
                      > > and that the other station has also a matching QSO. If the other
                      > > station does not join LotW then the QSO will never show up in the
                      > > lotwreport.adi file. Both logs must be submitted to avoid
                      cheating
                      > > by submitting altered lotwreport.adi files. Also, if there is a
                      QSL
                      > > with a specific callsign identified in the lotwreport.adi file
                      and
                      > > over 5 other entries show a valid QSO then it would be assumed
                      that
                      > > the QSOs are actually valid and that the other LotW user just
                      didn't
                      > > submit enter the contest by submitting his lotwreport.adi file.
                      > > -- QSO occurred during the contest period and a QSL was generated
                      > > before the end of the wait period.
                      > > -- QSO verification by LotW prior to the cut-off date of log
                      > > uploading to LotW. (This is needed so that one station could not
                      > > receive an advantage by waiting until the very last minute and
                      then
                      > > having late LotW signups give him a valid QSO that an early log
                      > > (file) submittal did not verify).
                      > > -- Standings would be automatically generated by the software as
                      to
                      > > Country, State, Band, Mode, points, multipliers, and score.
                      > > -- Scores would be submitted to a couple of the major DX/Contest
                      > > related web sites, bbcyber.com website, and this forum for
                      > > recognition.
                      > > -- Awards would be generated for country and state high scores.
                      > >
                      > > There are some other issues to contend with yet, but no show
                      > > stoppers for the first contest event to use an automatic form of
                      QSO
                      > > verification, multiplier determination, and score generation.
                      > > The fallout from all of this is faster QSLs, quite a number of
                      new
                      > > LotW sign-ups would probably occur, and many would surely qualify
                      > > for some of the current DXCC and WAS awards.
                      > >
                      > > The process described above does not require ARRL support. But
                      we
                      > > would certainly yield on our plans to ARRL if they were to
                      announce
                      > > an LotW contest that was similar to this.
                      > >
                      > > A contest such as this would certainly result in many new sign-
                      ups
                      > > for LotW and by spacing it out, the load on LotW should be
                      minimized.
                      > >
                      > > Any direct comments would be appreciated within this forum or by
                      > > direct EMAIL.
                      > >
                      > > Bill, N5RR
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Hoppe" <ww9r@> wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >> Imagine that - DXCC & WAS in one week-end. Instead of
                      submitting
                      > > a Cabrillo
                      > >> log, you submit your log to LOTW. This started out tongue in
                      > > cheek, but the
                      > >> more you say it out loud the better it sounds.
                      > >>
                      > >> Dave, you may be onto something here...
                      > >>
                      > >> Pat
                      > >> WW9R
                      > >>
                      > >> -----Original Message-----
                      > >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-
                      LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > On Behalf
                      > >> Of Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)
                      > >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:55 PM
                      > >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                      > >>
                      > >> Actually a LOTW WAS contest might be in order...
                      > >>
                      > >> Exchange might be call and name, then an upload...
                      > >>
                      > >> Thanks,
                      > >> Dave
                      > >> NK7Z/NNN0RDO
                      > >> http://www.nk7z.net
                      > >>
                      > >> Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. --Lazarus Long
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> -----Original Message-----
                      > >> From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-
                      LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
                      > > On
                      > >> Behalf Of R Johnson
                      > >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 18:52
                      > >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] CQ Alabama
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> I have 49 States confirmed by LoTW. Missing is Alabama !!!
                      > >> I checked my log and have worked 43 Alabama stations, 10 of
                      > >> them on 6M.
                      > >>
                      > >> I wonder if LoTW has made it's way that far South :-) !!!
                      > >>
                      > >> Most of the guys have been complaining about the lack of WY
                      > >> and MT using LoTW. I'd be willing to swap 1 Mt for 1 AL.
                      > >> Oop's I forgot that isn't like swapping "Baseball Cards" !!!
                      > >>
                      > >> Wish I had been home for the ALQP contest. Well next year.
                      > >>
                      > >> 73
                      > >> Bob, K1VU
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >>
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Nenad Stevanovic
                      ... From: Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO) I came, I saw, she conquered. (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.) --Lazarus Long Veni, vidi, vici (L) I
                      Message 10 of 16 , Jun 5, 2006
                        Message

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From:  Dave Cole (NK7Z/NNN0RDO)

                        "I came, I saw, she conquered."  (The original Latin seems to have been
                        garbled.)  --Lazarus Long


                        Veni, vidi, vici (L)  I came, I saw, I conquered (E) 

                        the full text of a message  sent by Julius Caesar to the Roman Senate,

                        to describe his battle against King Pharnakles of Pontus near Zela in 47 BC. 

                         

                        73  Nenad    VE3EXY  ...

                      • Art RX9TX
                        Hello Vladimir, I agree, Ativity Days sound more fitting the event, and please let s not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls DXCC
                        Message 11 of 16 , Jun 6, 2006
                          Hello Vladimir,

                          I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and please
                          let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls DXCC
                          Challenge totals down.

                          VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another solution, a
                          VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being just "LotW Activity
                          VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                          VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some rules are needed:
                          VVS> - time frame
                          VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name, QTH (state,
                          VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                          VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during the Activity
                          VVS> Days to the LoTW.

                          VVS> That's it!

                          VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made potentially
                          VVS> improves your score towards an award.

                          VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the event. I keep my
                          VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
                          VVS> 73,
                          VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE

                          --
                          73...Art RX9TX

                          http://rx9tx.qrz.ru

                          "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm better." [Mae West]
                        • Bill
                          Gentlemen, The problem that we have with an Activity Days concept is that we believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new users and
                          Message 12 of 16 , Jun 6, 2006
                            Gentlemen,

                            The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
                            believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
                            users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
                            interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
                            contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
                            second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
                            contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
                            their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
                            continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
                            entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
                            there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
                            join.

                            The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
                            band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
                            that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
                            free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
                            just wanting to casually participate.

                            As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
                            to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
                            of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
                            other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

                            At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
                            backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
                            same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
                            LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
                            present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
                            countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
                            information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
                            square as long as the other operator has included the information
                            when signing the log file.

                            The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
                            LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
                            rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
                            signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

                            One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
                            there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
                            events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
                            the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
                            decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

                            Comments are invited.

                            73s, Bill, N5RR



                            --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Hello Vladimir,
                            >
                            > I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and
                            please
                            > let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls
                            DXCC
                            > Challenge totals down.
                            >
                            > VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
                            solution, a
                            > VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
                            just "LotW Activity
                            > VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                            > VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
                            rules are needed:
                            > VVS> - time frame
                            > VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
                            QTH (state,
                            > VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                            > VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
                            the Activity
                            > VVS> Days to the LoTW.
                            >
                            > VVS> That's it!
                            >
                            > VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
                            potentially
                            > VVS> improves your score towards an award.
                            >
                            > VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
                            event. I keep my
                            > VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
                            > VVS> 73,
                            > VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
                            >
                            > --
                            > 73...Art RX9TX
                            >
                            > http://rx9tx.qrz.ru
                            >
                            > "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
                            better." [Mae West]
                            >
                          • Robert Chudek - K0RC
                            Comments insert below... ... From: Bill To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ
                            Message 13 of 16 , Jun 6, 2006
                              Comments insert below...


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Bill" <n5rr@...>
                              To: <ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:09 AM
                              Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama


                              Gentlemen,

                              The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
                              believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
                              users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
                              interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
                              contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LoTW and
                              second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
                              contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
                              their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
                              continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
                              entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
                              there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
                              join.

                              >>>"Activity Days" is a sissy-boy wimp name for a contest... Make
                              it something with guts, like "He-man Tool Time Trophy Challenge" or
                              "Bet You Can't Win This One Contest". Go to the root of what drives
                              a contester to sit in a chair for 48 hours straight. They're not sitting
                              under a parasol sipping mimosas'.<<<

                              >>>LoTW is passé to a contester (yeah I'm uploading my logs but I
                              have a personal goal behind this). It doesn't generate QSL cards
                              (I know, sorry to bring this up) so LoTW isn't going to significantly
                              reduce the hard-copy QSL requests. Contesters are interested in
                              contesting, not WAS or DXCC. Hell, the top competitors already
                              achieve WAS and DXCC in a single weekend. Multiply this by the
                              number of big contests in a year. There's no challenge.<<<

                              >>>You need to figure out a REAL incentive to get more participation.
                              Here's a controversial idea... only accept all ARRL contest logs via
                              LoTW. This suggestion will set the contesting reflectors on fire!<<<

                              The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
                              band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
                              that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
                              free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
                              just wanting to casually participate.

                              As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
                              to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
                              of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
                              other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

                              >>>I agreed, the WARC bands need to remain available for those
                              who get crowded off the contest bands.<<<

                              At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
                              backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
                              same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
                              LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
                              present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
                              countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
                              information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
                              square as long as the other operator has included the information
                              when signing the log file.

                              >>>Well this idea falls along the lines of my previous suggestion
                              regarding using LoTW as the official contest log, it stops short
                              and adds another step. There are "real-time scores" websites that
                              publish a contesters statistics in real time. You can look to see how
                              you are faring compared to your competitor.<<<

                              >>>I see a time in the near future where contesters will log onto
                              a contest website and the real time results of all competitors will be
                              available as the weekend unfolds. Kinda like going to a horse race.
                              Let the betting begin... :-) <<<

                              >>>tQSL needs to be updated to force the operator to input this
                              information. Not many are going to go back and "fix" their existing
                              QSO's to include the CQ, ITU, IOTA, County, etc.<<<

                              >>>LoTW would need to be programmed to accept ADIF "contest
                              tags" in order to transport this information. But I'm afraid you are
                              suggesting a change in the LoTW goals and objectives, which will
                              take a lot of effort (and money) to include these features.<<<

                              The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
                              LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
                              rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
                              signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

                              >>>The first sentence is a whole 'nother issue outside the topic in
                              this thread! "Reasons for low LoTW participation..."<<<

                              One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
                              there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
                              events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
                              the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
                              decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

                              Comments are invited.

                              >>>Whatever the outcome, short and long term, if you guys get
                              a contest put together I'll compete.<<<

                              73s, Bill, N5RR

                              >>>73 de Bob - K0RC<<<
                            • K0HB
                              ... Actually, your percentage (20.6%) is way above the LoTW system average of 5.7%. 73, de Hans, K0HB --
                              Message 14 of 16 , Jun 8, 2006

                                  


                                > [Original Message]
                                > From: Patrick Hoppe <ww9r@...>

                                > My apologies if I sound too excited here, but I have 16K+ Q's in
                                > LOTW and only 3300 confirmed.  I would love to get that percentage up.

                                Actually, your percentage (20.6%) is way above the LoTW system average of 5.7%. 

                                73, de Hans, K0HB
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                              • K0HB
                                Judging from my results, it is my impression that contesters are the most prevalent users of LoTW. Maybe this proposed effort is targeting the wrong audience.
                                Message 15 of 16 , Jun 8, 2006
                                  Judging from my results, it is my impression that contesters are the most prevalent users of LoTW.  Maybe this proposed effort is targeting the wrong audience.
                                   
                                  Contesters are the most likely to have computerized/Cabrillo/ADIF logs, making it essentially painless to upload to LoTW.  I doubt that a "contest-like" event would generate any appreciable amount of new LoTW participants.
                                   
                                  73, de Hans, K0HB
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                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Bill
                                  Sent: 6/6/2006 4:10:40 PM
                                  Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama

                                  Gentlemen,

                                  The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
                                  believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
                                  users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
                                  interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
                                  contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
                                  second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
                                  contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
                                  their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
                                  continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
                                  entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
                                  there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
                                  join.

                                  The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
                                  band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
                                  that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
                                  free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
                                  just wanting to casually participate.

                                  As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
                                  to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
                                  of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
                                  other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

                                  At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
                                  backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
                                  same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
                                  LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
                                  present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
                                  countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
                                  information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
                                  square as long as the other operator has included the information
                                  when signing the log file.

                                  The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
                                  LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
                                  rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
                                  signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

                                  One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
                                  there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
                                  events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
                                  the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
                                  decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

                                  Comments are invited.

                                  73s, Bill, N5RR

                                  --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogrou ps.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Hello Vladimir,
                                  >
                                  > I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and
                                  please
                                  > let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls
                                  DXCC
                                  > Challenge totals down.
                                  >
                                  > VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
                                  solution, a
                                  > VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
                                  just "LotW Activity
                                  > VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                                  > VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
                                  rules are needed:
                                  > VVS> - time frame
                                  > VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
                                  QTH (state,
                                  > VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                                  > VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
                                  the Activity
                                  > VVS> Days to the LoTW.
                                  >
                                  > VVS> That's it!
                                  >
                                  > VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
                                  potentially
                                  > VVS> improves your score towards an award.
                                  >
                                  > VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
                                  event. I keep my
                                  > VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
                                  > VVS> 73,
                                  > VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > 73...Art RX9TX
                                  >
                                  > http://rx9tx. qrz.ru
                                  >
                                  > "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
                                  better." [Mae West]
                                  >

                                • Art RX9TX
                                  Hello K0HB, I totally agree. Another doubt : how would LoTW users recognize each other in such parallel contest-like events? Let s just make it our own
                                  Message 16 of 16 , Jun 10, 2006
                                    Hello K0HB,

                                    I totally agree. Another "doubt": how would LoTW users recognize each
                                    other in such "parallel" contest-like events?

                                    Let's just make it our own "holiday", lets work some new ones in
                                    "Activity Days", including WARC bands, and "CQL" or just "LoTW"
                                    instead of "CQ" would let us easily recognize each other. If ARRL
                                    announced and advertised, I bet it would bring lots of interest for
                                    DX- and Challenge- chasers, and new LoTW users, finally. As for me, I
                                    still need to confirm many european countries on 17/30 m, and I bet
                                    many of them need UA9 as well, so that would be very useful for all
                                    of us.


                                    K> Judging from my results, it is my impression that contesters are
                                    K> the most prevalent users of LoTW. Maybe this proposed effort is
                                    K> targeting the wrong audience.

                                    K> Contesters are the most likely to have computerized/Cabrillo/ADIF
                                    K> logs, making it essentially painless to upload to LoTW. I doubt
                                    K> that a "contest-like" event would generate any appreciable amount
                                    K> of new LoTW participants.

                                    K> 73, de Hans, K0HB
                                    K> --
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                                    K> ----- Original Message -----
                                    K> From: Bill
                                    K> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                                    K> Sent: 6/6/2006 4:10:40 PM
                                    K> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: CQ Alabama


                                    K> Gentlemen,

                                    K> The problem that we have with an "Activity Days" concept is that we
                                    K> believe that it would do very little to increase the number of new
                                    K> users and won't do anything to get the bulk of the contesters
                                    K> interested. Part of what we are trying to accomplish is to get the
                                    K> contesters interested so that they will first sign-up for LotW and
                                    K> second upload logs not only for this activity, but for previous
                                    K> contests. Once they see the amount of work that would be lifted off
                                    K> their shoulders for QSLs, we think that many would be convinced to
                                    K> continue the modest effort of uploading logs when they turn in their
                                    K> entries. With more contesters signed up and more QSLs generated,
                                    K> there would also be more of an incentive for non-contesters to
                                    K> join.

                                    K> The non-contester would also benefit by being able to search the
                                    K> band looking for states and countries that they need and be assured
                                    K> that a QSL was forthcoming. Tools like SpotCollector (DXLabs), a
                                    K> free program makes it very easy to identify LotW users for those
                                    K> just wanting to casually participate.

                                    K> As for WARC bands, the ARRL and most other organizations have agreed
                                    K> to not have contests or other major events use those bands because
                                    K> of the small size of the frequency allocations, shared use with
                                    K> other agencies, and the resulting direct effects on casual users.

                                    K> At least for the first LotW event, the group is leaning toward piggy
                                    K> backing on a major contest and running it in parallel, using the
                                    K> same reports as given the major contest (the only data needed for an
                                    K> LotW confirmation is Call, time, date, mode, and band, which are
                                    K> present in every type of event). RS(T) and location (zones,
                                    K> countries, etc) are not required for a LotW QSL, but that type of
                                    K> information is usually attached to the QSL, including the grid
                                    K> square as long as the other operator has included the information
                                    K> when signing the log file.

                                    K> The only thing then required for the contester to do is to join
                                    K> LotW, if not already a member, and send his Cabrillo file two places
                                    K> rather than one, raw Cabrillo file as the contest entry and a TQSL
                                    K> signed Cabrillo file to LotW.

                                    K> One big advantage the above approach to getting started is that
                                    K> there would not be a ramp-up problem, which faces all new operating
                                    K> events. We have international websites now agreeing to advertise
                                    K> the event once we solve the setup and coordination problems and
                                    K> decide upon the dates and times of the first event.

                                    K> Comments are invited.

                                    K> 73s, Bill, N5RR

                                    K> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Art RX9TX <rx9tx@...> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Hello Vladimir,
                                    >>
                                    >> I agree, "Ativity Days" sound more fitting the event, and
                                    K> please
                                    >> let's not forget about WARC bands, for that is what pulls
                                    K> DXCC
                                    >> Challenge totals down.
                                    >>
                                    >> VVS> It looks too complicated to be attractive. There is another
                                    K> solution, a
                                    >> VVS> quick, easy and (potentially) effective one, being
                                    K> just "LotW Activity
                                    >> VVS> Days". Let's say, it's a weekend.
                                    >> VVS> No rules, no sponsors, no scores, no awards. Actually some
                                    K> rules are needed:
                                    >> VVS> - time frame
                                    >> VVS> - an (LoTW valueable) exchange: a signal report plus Name,
                                    K> QTH (state,
                                    >> VVS> province, etc, where applicable) and Grid Loc
                                    >> VVS> - when finished, participants upload the contacts made during
                                    K> the Activity
                                    >> VVS> Days to the LoTW.
                                    >>
                                    >> VVS> That's it!
                                    >>
                                    >> VVS> And everybody is a winner, because every single contact made
                                    K> potentially
                                    >> VVS> improves your score towards an award.
                                    >>
                                    >> VVS> The only input needed would be a little bit of ad of the
                                    K> event. I keep my
                                    >> VVS> mouth shut on who'd best of all take care of the ad...
                                    >> VVS> 73,
                                    >> VVS> Vladimir VE3IAE
                                    >>
                                    >> --
                                    >> 73...Art RX9TX
                                    >>
                                    >> http://rx9tx.qrz.ru
                                    >>
                                    >> "When I'm good, I'm very, very, good, but when I'm bad, I'm
                                    K> better." [Mae West]
                                    >>


                                    K>

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                                    73...Art RX9TX

                                    http://rx9tx.qrz.ru

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