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  • Bob DeHaney
    Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I want the WPX
    Message 1 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
      Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.

      Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to upload to his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.

      Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349

      There are 3 messages in this issue.

      Topics in this digest:

      1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
      From: kleks05

      2a. Re: WPX updating
      From: KeithH
      2b. Re: WPX updating
      From: Tom Horton


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      1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
      Posted by: "kleks05" jowoc1@... kleks05
      Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))



      --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
      >
      > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that they are working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at some time the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will only be able to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that data is on a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in time CQ's WPX records are computerized.
      >

      That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some form of EXCEL. Funfunfun...

      > 73,
      > Gary AL9A
      >
      >

      73, de KU1T
      _zjt






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      2a. Re: WPX updating
      Posted by: "KeithH" kwheimbold@... plowpenny
      Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))

      So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

      Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

      Please advise.

      Keith
      AG6AZ

      --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
      >
      > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
      >
      > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
      > >
      > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
      > >
      >







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      2b. Re: WPX updating
      Posted by: "Tom Horton" k5iid@... k5iid@...
      Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))

      Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession in case they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the confirmation from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the card, something would have to be worked out.
      I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I think I won't be going that route.
      73, Tom K5IID

      "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
      the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
      -- Winston Churchill

      "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud flowing down hill."
      --Charles Harpole

      "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."

      If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is what I believe.

      K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
      E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
      Same call for 55 years!

      --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <kwheimbold@...> wrote:


      From: KeithH <kwheimbold@...>
      Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM







      So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

      Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

      Please advise.

      Keith
      AG6AZ

      --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
      >
      > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
      >
      > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
      > >
      > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
      > >
      >










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    • Gary AL9A
      Bob, Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up, you must always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine. ARRL has
      Message 2 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
        
        Bob,
         
        Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up, you must always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine.  ARRL has nothing to do with the WPX award other than making their prefix data in LOTW available to CQ to verify you have the confirmation of a particular prefix.  If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
         
        73,
        Gary AL9A
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: August 03, 2012 2:25 AM
        Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

         

        Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.

        Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to upload to his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.

        Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T

        -----Original Message-----
        From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349

        There are 3 messages in this issue.

        Topics in this digest:

        1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
        From: kleks05

        2a. Re: WPX updating
        From: KeithH
        2b. Re: WPX updating
        From: Tom Horton

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        1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
        Posted by: "kleks05" jowoc1@... kleks05
        Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))

        --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
        >
        > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that they are working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at some time the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will only be able to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that data is on a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in time CQ's WPX records are computerized.
        >

        That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some form of EXCEL. Funfunfun...

        > 73,
        > Gary AL9A
        >
        >

        73, de KU1T
        _zjt

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        2a. Re: WPX updating
        Posted by: "KeithH" kwheimbold@... plowpenny
        Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))

        So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

        Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

        Please advise.

        Keith
        AG6AZ

        --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
        >
        > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
        >
        > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
        > >
        > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
        > >
        >

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        2b. Re: WPX updating
        Posted by: "Tom Horton" k5iid@... k5iid@...
        Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))

        Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession in case they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the confirmation from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the card, something would have to be worked out.
        I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I think I won't be going that route.
        73, Tom K5IID

        "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
        the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
        -- Winston Churchill

        "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud flowing down hill."
        --Charles Harpole

        "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."

        If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is what I believe.

        K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
        E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
        Same call for 55 years!

        --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <kwheimbold@...> wrote:

        From: KeithH <kwheimbold@...>
        Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM

        So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

        Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

        Please advise.

        Keith
        AG6AZ

        --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
        >
        > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
        >
        > --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
        > >
        > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
        > >
        >

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      • Pete Ennis
        You re right!  ARRL is just a middle man collecting .12 cent per call.  I would never pay that.   Keith, K5ENS ________________________________ From: Gary
        Message 3 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
          You're right!  ARRL is just a middle man collecting .12 cent per call.  I would never pay that.
           
          Keith, K5ENS

          From: Gary AL9A <al9a@...>
          To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 PM
          Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

           
          
          Bob,
           
          Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up, you must always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine.  ARRL has nothing to do with the WPX award other than making their prefix data in LOTW available to CQ to verify you have the confirmation of a particular prefix.  If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
           
          73,
          Gary AL9A
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: August 03, 2012 2:25 AM
          Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

           
          Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.

          Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to upload to his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.

          Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T

          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
          To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349

          There are 3 messages in this issue.

          Topics in this digest:

          1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
          From: kleks05

          2a. Re: WPX updating
          From: KeithH
          2b. Re: WPX updating
          From: Tom Horton

          Messages
          __________________________________________________________
          1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
          Posted by: "kleks05" mailto:jowoc1%40gmail.com kleks05
          Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))

          --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
          >
          > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that they are working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at some time the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will only be able to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that data is on a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in time CQ's WPX records are computerized.
          >

          That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some form of EXCEL. Funfunfun...

          > 73,
          > Gary AL9A
          >
          >

          73, de KU1T
          _zjt

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          2a. Re: WPX updating
          Posted by: "KeithH" mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com plowpenny
          Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))

          So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

          Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

          Please advise.

          Keith
          AG6AZ

          --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
          >
          > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
          >
          > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
          > >
          > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
          > >
          >

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          2b. Re: WPX updating
          Posted by: "Tom Horton" mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
          Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))

          Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession in case they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the confirmation from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the card, something would have to be worked out.
          I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I think I won't be going that route.
          73, Tom K5IID

          "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
          the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."
          -- Winston Churchill

          "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud flowing down hill."
          --Charles Harpole

          "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."

          If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is what I believe.

          K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
          E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
          Same call for 55 years!

          --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com> wrote:

          From: KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com>
          Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
          To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM

          So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is only partial if that is the case.

          Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my award system of choice.

          Please advise.

          Keith
          AG6AZ

          --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
          >
          > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
          >
          > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
          > >
          > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since they do not show up as "QSL received".
          > >
          >

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        • iain macdonnell - N6ML
          Your alternative is to collect paper QSL cards for every prefix that you wish to claim credit for. Even though you don t need to have the cards checked, you
          Message 4 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
            Your alternative is to collect paper QSL cards for every prefix that
            you wish to claim credit for. Even though you don't need to have the
            cards checked, you are required to have them available.

            I will likely never apply for WPX either, but if I was going to do it,
            I'd certainly use LotW credits over mailing our SASEs/IRCs for paper
            QSLs.

            73,

            ~iain / N6ML



            On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Pete Ennis <nelasat@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            >
            > You're right! ARRL is just a middle man collecting .12 cent per call. I
            > would never pay that.
            >
            > Keith, K5ENS
            >
            > From: Gary AL9A <al9a@...>
            > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
            >
            >
            > 
            > Bob,
            >
            > Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up, you must
            > always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine. ARRL has
            > nothing to do with the WPX award other than making their prefix data in LOTW
            > available to CQ to verify you have the confirmation of a particular prefix.
            > If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call
            > fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
            >
            > 73,
            > Gary AL9A
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Bob DeHaney
            > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: August 03, 2012 2:25 AM
            > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
            >
            >
            > Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered
            > from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I
            > want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.
            >
            > Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are
            > never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to upload to
            > his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.
            >
            > Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
            > [mailto:mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com]
            > Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
            > To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349
            >
            > There are 3 messages in this issue.
            >
            > Topics in this digest:
            >
            > 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
            > From: kleks05
            >
            > 2a. Re: WPX updating
            > From: KeithH
            > 2b. Re: WPX updating
            > From: Tom Horton
            >
            > Messages
            > __________________________________________________________
            > 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
            > Posted by: "kleks05" mailto:jowoc1%40gmail.com kleks05
            >
            > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))
            >
            > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a
            > > response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that they are
            > > working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at some time
            > > the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will only be able
            > > to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that data is on
            > > a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in time CQ's WPX
            > > records are computerized.
            > >
            >
            > That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some form of
            > EXCEL. Funfunfun...
            >
            > > 73,
            > > Gary AL9A
            > >
            > >
            >
            > 73, de KU1T
            > _zjt
            >
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            > 2a. Re: WPX updating
            > Posted by: "KeithH" mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com plowpenny
            >
            > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))
            >
            > So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
            > include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
            > verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is
            > only partial if that is the case.
            >
            > Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
            > $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
            > inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
            > award system of choice.
            >
            > Please advise.
            >
            > Keith
            > AG6AZ
            >
            > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
            > >
            > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
            > > >
            > > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
            > > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since
            > > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
            > > >
            > >
            >
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            > __________________________________________________________
            > 2b. Re: WPX updating
            > Posted by: "Tom Horton" mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
            > mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
            >
            > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))
            >
            > Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not
            > have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession in case
            > they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the confirmation
            > from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the
            > card, something would have to be worked out.
            > I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I think
            > I won't be going that route.
            > 73, Tom K5IID
            >
            > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
            > the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
            > equal sharing of misery.."
            > -- Winston Churchill
            >
            > "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud
            > flowing down hill."
            > --Charles Harpole
            >
            > "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."
            >
            > If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is
            > what I believe.
            >
            > K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
            > E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
            > Same call for 55 years!
            >
            > --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com> wrote:
            >
            > From: KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com>
            >
            > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
            > To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
            >
            > Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM
            >
            > So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
            > include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
            > verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is
            > only partial if that is the case.
            >
            > Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
            > $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
            > inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
            > award system of choice.
            >
            > Please advise.
            >
            > Keith
            > AG6AZ
            >
            > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
            > >
            > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
            > > >
            > > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
            > > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since
            > > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
            > > >
            > >
            >
            > Messages in this topic (5)
            >
            > ----------------------------------------------------------
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            > ----------------------------------------------------------
            >
            >
            >
            >
          • iain macdonnell - N6ML
            PS. I should say collect paper QSL cards for any prefixes not confirmed by eQSL AG (if you re into that) .
            Message 5 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
              PS. I should say "collect paper QSL cards for any prefixes not
              confirmed by eQSL AG (if you're into that)".


              On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:22 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML <ar@...> wrote:
              > Your alternative is to collect paper QSL cards for every prefix that
              > you wish to claim credit for. Even though you don't need to have the
              > cards checked, you are required to have them available.
              >
              > I will likely never apply for WPX either, but if I was going to do it,
              > I'd certainly use LotW credits over mailing our SASEs/IRCs for paper
              > QSLs.
              >
              > 73,
              >
              > ~iain / N6ML
              >
              >
              >
              > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Pete Ennis <nelasat@...> wrote:
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> You're right! ARRL is just a middle man collecting .12 cent per call. I
              >> would never pay that.
              >>
              >> Keith, K5ENS
              >>
              >> From: Gary AL9A <al9a@...>
              >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
              >>
              >>
              >> 
              >> Bob,
              >>
              >> Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up, you must
              >> always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine. ARRL has
              >> nothing to do with the WPX award other than making their prefix data in LOTW
              >> available to CQ to verify you have the confirmation of a particular prefix.
              >> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call
              >> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
              >>
              >> 73,
              >> Gary AL9A
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: Bob DeHaney
              >> To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: August 03, 2012 2:25 AM
              >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
              >>
              >>
              >> Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered
              >> from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that if I
              >> want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.
              >>
              >> Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are
              >> never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to upload to
              >> his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.
              >>
              >> Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
              >>
              >> -----Original Message-----
              >> From: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
              >> [mailto:mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com]
              >> Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
              >> To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
              >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349
              >>
              >> There are 3 messages in this issue.
              >>
              >> Topics in this digest:
              >>
              >> 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
              >> From: kleks05
              >>
              >> 2a. Re: WPX updating
              >> From: KeithH
              >> 2b. Re: WPX updating
              >> From: Tom Horton
              >>
              >> Messages
              >> __________________________________________________________
              >> 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
              >> Posted by: "kleks05" mailto:jowoc1%40gmail.com kleks05
              >>
              >> Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))
              >>
              >> --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
              >> >
              >> > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a
              >> > response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that they are
              >> > working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at some time
              >> > the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will only be able
              >> > to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that data is on
              >> > a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in time CQ's WPX
              >> > records are computerized.
              >> >
              >>
              >> That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some form of
              >> EXCEL. Funfunfun...
              >>
              >> > 73,
              >> > Gary AL9A
              >> >
              >> >
              >>
              >> 73, de KU1T
              >> _zjt
              >>
              >> Messages in this topic (15)
              >> __________________________________________________________
              >> __________________________________________________________
              >> 2a. Re: WPX updating
              >> Posted by: "KeithH" mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com plowpenny
              >>
              >> Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))
              >>
              >> So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
              >> include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
              >> verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is
              >> only partial if that is the case.
              >>
              >> Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
              >> $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
              >> inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
              >> award system of choice.
              >>
              >> Please advise.
              >>
              >> Keith
              >> AG6AZ
              >>
              >> --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
              >> >
              >> > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
              >> >
              >> > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
              >> > >
              >> > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
              >> > >
              >> > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
              >> > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since
              >> > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
              >> > >
              >> >
              >>
              >> Messages in this topic (5)
              >> __________________________________________________________
              >> 2b. Re: WPX updating
              >> Posted by: "Tom Horton" mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
              >> mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
              >>
              >> Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))
              >>
              >> Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not
              >> have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession in case
              >> they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the confirmation
              >> from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the
              >> card, something would have to be worked out.
              >> I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I think
              >> I won't be going that route.
              >> 73, Tom K5IID
              >>
              >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
              >> the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
              >> equal sharing of misery.."
              >> -- Winston Churchill
              >>
              >> "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud
              >> flowing down hill."
              >> --Charles Harpole
              >>
              >> "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."
              >>
              >> If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is
              >> what I believe.
              >>
              >> K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
              >> E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
              >> Same call for 55 years!
              >>
              >> --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com> wrote:
              >>
              >> From: KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com>
              >>
              >> Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
              >> To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
              >>
              >> Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM
              >>
              >> So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
              >> include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
              >> verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this integration is
              >> only partial if that is the case.
              >>
              >> Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
              >> $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
              >> inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
              >> award system of choice.
              >>
              >> Please advise.
              >>
              >> Keith
              >> AG6AZ
              >>
              >> --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
              >> >
              >> > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
              >> >
              >> > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
              >> > >
              >> > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
              >> > >
              >> > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
              >> > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for WPX since
              >> > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
              >> > >
              >> >
              >>
              >> Messages in this topic (5)
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >> Yahoo! Groups Links
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
            • Paul Stoetzer
              You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award (and I don t
              Message 6 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
                You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system
                is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award
                (and I don't qualify for any awards via eQSL yet).

                It certainly isn't cheap. $59 to the ARRL and $16 to CQ for my initial 2
                awards and 5 endorsements. Just sent the ARRL another $3 and CQ another
                $2 for two more endorsements.

                73,

                Paul, N8HM

                On 8/3/2012 6:22 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:
                >
                > Your alternative is to collect paper QSL cards for every prefix that
                > you wish to claim credit for. Even though you don't need to have the
                > cards checked, you are required to have them available.
                >
                > I will likely never apply for WPX either, but if I was going to do it,
                > I'd certainly use LotW credits over mailing our SASEs/IRCs for paper
                > QSLs.
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > ~iain / N6ML
                >
                > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Pete Ennis <nelasat@...
                > <mailto:nelasat%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > You're right! ARRL is just a middle man collecting .12 cent per call. I
                > > would never pay that.
                > >
                > > Keith, K5ENS
                > >
                > > From: Gary AL9A <al9a@... <mailto:al9a%40mtaonline.net>>
                > > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
                > >
                > >
                > > 
                > > Bob,
                > >
                > > Per the instructions announced when the WPX interface started up,
                > you must
                > > always apply for any WPX Award to the award sponsor - CQ Magazine.
                > ARRL has
                > > nothing to do with the WPX award other than making their prefix data
                > in LOTW
                > > available to CQ to verify you have the confirmation of a particular
                > prefix.
                > > If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per
                > call
                > > fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                > >
                > > 73,
                > > Gary AL9A
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Bob DeHaney
                > > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: August 03, 2012 2:25 AM
                > > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating
                > >
                > >
                > > Looking at my WPX award account, it appears that only QSLs are entered
                > > from your LOTW account to your WPX account. I assume this means that
                > if I
                > > want the WPX Award I have to submit manually to CQ Magazine.
                > >
                > > Also DXCC from Card Checkers (Physical Cards checked and verified) are
                > > never entered to your LOTW QSL totals unless someone happens to
                > upload to
                > > his LOTW account. I might as well submit directly to CQ WPX.
                > >
                > > Vy 73, Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
                > >
                > > -----Original Message-----
                > > From: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
                > > [mailto:mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com]
                > > Sent: 03 August 2012 12:13
                > > To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
                > > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Digest Number 2349
                > >
                > > There are 3 messages in this issue.
                > >
                > > Topics in this digest:
                > >
                > > 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
                > > From: kleks05
                > >
                > > 2a. Re: WPX updating
                > > From: KeithH
                > > 2b. Re: WPX updating
                > > From: Tom Horton
                > >
                > > Messages
                > > __________________________________________________________
                > > 1a. Re: WPX Updating--the Squeaking Wheel gets Greased!
                > > Posted by: "kleks05" mailto:jowoc1%40gmail.com kleks05
                > >
                > > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:34 am ((PDT))
                > >
                > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > I asked a very similar question about a week ago and someone sent a
                > > > response that was posted on the ARRL web site to the effect that
                > they are
                > > > working on a new set of tools that will provide this ability at
                > some time
                > > > the future. The key is that when this tool is available it will
                > only be able
                > > > to provide info on prefixes used for existing WPX awards if that
                > data is on
                > > > a computerized data base at CQ. I have no idea how far back in
                > time CQ's WPX
                > > > records are computerized.
                > > >
                > >
                > > That sounds like... fun. AFAIK, the computerized records are some
                > form of
                > > EXCEL. Funfunfun...
                > >
                > > > 73,
                > > > Gary AL9A
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > > 73, de KU1T
                > > _zjt
                > >
                > > Messages in this topic (15)
                > > __________________________________________________________
                > > __________________________________________________________
                > > 2a. Re: WPX updating
                > > Posted by: "KeithH" mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com plowpenny
                > >
                > > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 6:44 am ((PDT))
                > >
                > > So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
                > > include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
                > > verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this
                > integration is
                > > only partial if that is the case.
                > >
                > > Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
                > > $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
                > > inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
                > > award system of choice.
                > >
                > > Please advise.
                > >
                > > Keith
                > > AG6AZ
                > >
                > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
                > > >
                > > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
                > > > >
                > > > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
                > > > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for
                > WPX since
                > > > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > > Messages in this topic (5)
                > > __________________________________________________________
                > > 2b. Re: WPX updating
                > > Posted by: "Tom Horton" mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
                > > mailto:k5iid%40sbcglobal.net
                > >
                > > Date: Wed Aug 1, 2012 9:38 am ((PDT))
                > >
                > > Unless the rules have changed (I haven't checked them lately) you do not
                > > have to send in cards for WPX, but must have them in your possession
                > in case
                > > they want to check on something. Seems to me that you have the
                > confirmation
                > > from LOTW and that should be good enough. Now if they wanted to see the
                > > card, something would have to be worked out.
                > > I am still not really clear on how the LOTW WPX payments work, but I
                > think
                > > I won't be going that route.
                > > 73, Tom K5IID
                > >
                > > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
                > > the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue
                > is the
                > > equal sharing of misery.."
                > > -- Winston Churchill
                > >
                > > "Democracy depends on well-informed voters; absent that, it is all mud
                > > flowing down hill."
                > > --Charles Harpole
                > >
                > > "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get."
                > >
                > > If you don't like my signature? Too Bad! But I will use it because it is
                > > what I believe.
                > >
                > > K5IID Tom Horton Hillsboro, TX
                > > E sorter for ARRL W5 bureau
                > > Same call for 55 years!
                > >
                > > --- On Wed, 8/1/12, KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com> wrote:
                > >
                > > From: KeithH <mailto:kwheimbold%40aol.com>
                > >
                > > Subject: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX updating
                > > To: mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com
                > >
                > > Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 8:44 AM
                > >
                > > So the system is only integrated as far as LOTW matches and will not
                > > include verified cards for DXCC. So does this mean you need to get cards
                > > verified by CQ WPX certified card checker? Seems as if this
                > integration is
                > > only partial if that is the case.
                > >
                > > Also seems the price for a basic award is awfully expensive. It was over
                > > $40 for a SSB phone award. Maybe for now with the potential added
                > > inconvenience of a secondary QSL card check I will stick with DXCC as my
                > > award system of choice.
                > >
                > > Please advise.
                > >
                > > Keith
                > > AG6AZ
                > >
                > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "w8jmf" <w8jmf@...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > No. LotW only. DXCC is a separate system.
                > > >
                > > > --- In mailto:ARRL-LOTW%40yahoogroups.com, "wa3wzr" <wa3wzr@> wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Question for anyone who has had their account updated automatically.
                > > > >
                > > > > Does the WPX count include cards you submitted manually for DXCC
                > > > > credit? There seems to be no way to manually update for them for
                > WPX since
                > > > > they do not show up as "QSL received".
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > > Messages in this topic (5)
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
              • Jim - N4ST
                All of the interest in LoTW WPX made me go back and look at what I had on eQSL. I added 2 WPX certificates and 3 endorsements for $27. Over 1000 prefixes. My
                Message 7 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
                  All of the interest in LoTW WPX made me go back and look at what I had on eQSL.
                  I added 2 WPX certificates and 3 endorsements for $27. Over 1000 prefixes.
                  My plan is to submit what I can via eQSL where it is cheap and then when LoTW has their software up and running to tell you what "new" prefixes you have on LoTW, I may pay for those to round out an endorsement or two.
                  I'll let eQSL do the heavy lifting, and fill in the gaps with LoTW.

                  Jim - N4ST

                  From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
                  Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 18:38
                  To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                  Cc: iain macdonnell - N6ML
                  Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating


                  You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system
                  is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award
                  (and I don't qualify for any awards via eQSL yet).

                  It certainly isn't cheap. $59 to the ARRL and $16 to CQ for my initial 2
                  awards and 5 endorsements. Just sent the ARRL another $3 and CQ another
                  $2 for two more endorsements.

                  73,

                  Paul, N8HM
                • Jim Eamon
                  I also plan to get my basic WPX through eQSL and CQ, and then update it with additional endorsements through LoTW,  I have already submitted my application
                  Message 8 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
                    I also plan to get my basic WPX through eQSL and CQ, and then update it with additional endorsements through LoTW,  I have already submitted my application for the basic WPX.

                    But do you know that LoTW will accept all of those prefixes submitted using eQSL for the basic WPX automatically, or will you have to pay LoTW for all your eQSL confirmed prefixes plus any new ones in order to use their new integrated system and get endorsements from them?

                    Jim W0OVM


                    From: Jim - N4ST <newsgroup@...>
                    To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:34 PM
                    Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                    All of the interest in LoTW WPX made me go back and look at what I had on eQSL.
                    I added 2 WPX certificates and 3 endorsements for $27.  Over 1000 prefixes.
                    My plan is to submit what I can via eQSL where it is cheap and then when LoTW has their software up and running to tell you what "new" prefixes you have on LoTW, I may pay for those to round out an endorsement or two.
                    I'll let eQSL do the heavy lifting, and fill in the gaps with LoTW.

                    Jim - N4ST

                    From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
                    Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 18:38
                    To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                    Cc: iain macdonnell - N6ML
                    Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                     
                    You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system
                    is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award
                    (and I don't qualify for any awards via eQSL yet).

                    It certainly isn't cheap. $59 to the ARRL and $16 to CQ for my initial 2
                    awards and 5 endorsements. Just sent the ARRL another $3 and CQ another
                    $2 for two more endorsements.

                    73,

                    Paul, N8HM




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                  • Gary AL9A
                    ARRL will not accept anything from eQSL. There is no need for them to do so. Eventually, they will accept feedback from CQ data base records of prefixes
                    Message 9 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
                      ARRL will not accept anything from eQSL.  There is no need for them to do so.  Eventually, they will accept feedback from CQ data base records of prefixes already used to secure WPX awards.  ARRL will have no idea whether those CQ prefix confirmations came via a claimed paper card in hand or from an application made with eQSL AG confirmations.
                       
                      The real problem will arise from WPX awards issued years ago via paper applications that may not be computerized in the CQ WPX award system.  For those awards there is no way to update the LOTW records of what prefixes have already been used for a specific user account unless or until CQ goes back and gets the paper records put on their data bases.
                       
                      73,
                      Gary AL9A
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Jim Eamon
                      Sent: August 03, 2012 5:04 PM
                      Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                       

                      I also plan to get my basic WPX through eQSL and CQ, and then update it with additional endorsements through LoTW,  I have already submitted my application for the basic WPX.

                      But do you know that LoTW will accept all of those prefixes submitted using eQSL for the basic WPX automatically, or will you have to pay LoTW for all your eQSL confirmed prefixes plus any new ones in order to use their new integrated system and get endorsements from them?

                      Jim W0OVM


                      From: Jim - N4ST <newsgroup@...>
                      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:34 PM
                      Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                      All of the interest in LoTW WPX made me go back and look at what I had on eQSL.
                      I added 2 WPX certificates and 3 endorsements for $27.  Over 1000 prefixes.
                      My plan is to submit what I can via eQSL where it is cheap and then when LoTW has their software up and running to tell you what "new" prefixes you have on LoTW, I may pay for those to round out an endorsement or two.
                      I'll let eQSL do the heavy lifting, and fill in the gaps with LoTW.

                      Jim - N4ST

                      From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer
                      Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 18:38
                      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                      Cc: iain macdonnell - N6ML
                      Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                       
                      You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system
                      is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award
                      (and I don't qualify for any awards via eQSL yet).

                      It certainly isn't cheap. $59 to the ARRL and $16 to CQ for my initial 2
                      awards and 5 endorsements. Just sent the ARRL another $3 and CQ another
                      $2 for two more endorsements.

                      73,

                      Paul, N8HM




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                    • Jim - N4ST
                      CQ issues the WPX awards, not ARRL. You pay ARRL for the QSL credits. You pay CQ for the certificates and endorsements. LoTW is just a method of keeping
                      Message 10 of 18 , Aug 3, 2012
                        CQ issues the WPX awards, not ARRL. You pay ARRL for the QSL credits. You
                        pay CQ for the certificates and endorsements.
                        LoTW is just a method of keeping score, much like eQSL.
                        The Award Manager at CQ will know what prefixes you have submitted
                        electronically, although you should obviously keep track yourself.
                        If you have gone through the process on eQSL, you know that they have a
                        table of prefixes that you have previously submitted and new ones that are
                        available.
                        When LoTW gets caught up, you should be able to compare the the eQSL list
                        and the LoTW list and see what is unique on LoTW.
                        My assumption is that if I have 4999 prefixes submitted for free via eQSL
                        and have one unique prefix on LoTW, I can pay ARRL 12 cents for the QSL
                        credit and pay CQ $1 for the endorsement sticker.

                        Jim - N4ST


                        From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of Jim Eamon
                        Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 21:04
                        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                         
                        I also plan to get my basic WPX through eQSL and CQ, and then update it with
                        additional endorsements through LoTW,  I have already submitted my
                        application for the basic WPX.

                        But do you know that LoTW will accept all of those prefixes submitted using
                        eQSL for the basic WPX automatically, or will you have to pay LoTW for all
                        your eQSL confirmed prefixes plus any new ones in order to use their new
                        integrated system and get endorsements from them?

                        Jim W0OVM

                        ________________________________________
                        From: Jim - N4ST <newsgroup@...>
                        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:34 PM
                        Subject: RE: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                        All of the interest in LoTW WPX made me go back and look at what I had on
                        eQSL.
                        I added 2 WPX certificates and 3 endorsements for $27.  Over 1000 prefixes.
                        My plan is to submit what I can via eQSL where it is cheap and then when
                        LoTW has their software up and running to tell you what "new" prefixes you
                        have on LoTW, I may pay for those to round out an endorsement or two.
                        I'll let eQSL do the heavy lifting, and fill in the gaps with LoTW.

                        Jim - N4ST

                        From: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                        Of Paul Stoetzer
                        Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 18:38
                        To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                        Cc: iain macdonnell - N6ML
                        Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] WPX Updating

                         
                        You can also submit eQSLs. Those are free, but the LoTW tracking system
                        is superior for figuring out what you need to submit for which award
                        (and I don't qualify for any awards via eQSL yet).

                        It certainly isn't cheap. $59 to the ARRL and $16 to CQ for my initial 2
                        awards and 5 endorsements. Just sent the ARRL another $3 and CQ another
                        $2 for two more endorsements.

                        73,

                        Paul, N8HM
                      • AB2ZY
                        ... If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ. ... Sorry about
                        Message 11 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                          --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                          If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                          >
                          > 73,
                          > Gary AL9A

                          Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.

                          I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based on the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send cards or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be asked to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point before an award is granted.

                          Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that aren't confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits for an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.

                          Am I missing something?

                          Al
                          AB2ZY
                        • Paul Stoetzer
                          Because if they request your cards and you don t have them, they will deny your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ awards programs
                          Message 12 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                            Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will deny your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ awards programs for cheating.

                            If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.

                            73,

                            Paul, N8HM

                            On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                             

                            --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                            If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            > Gary AL9A

                            Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.

                            I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based on the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send cards or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be asked to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point before an award is granted.

                            Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that aren't confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits for an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.

                            Am I missing something?

                            Al
                            AB2ZY


                          • Joe Subich, W4TV
                            ... The rules are not stated that way on CQ s WPX site. They only say you need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is always
                            Message 13 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                              > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                              > LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                              > award.

                              The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                              need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                              always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                              confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                              differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                              confirmations on every application.

                              I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                              for using LotW confirmations.

                              73,

                              ... Joe, W4TV


                              On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                              > Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will deny
                              > your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ awards
                              > programs for cheating.
                              >
                              > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                              > system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                              >
                              > 73,
                              >
                              > Paul, N8HM
                              >
                              > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >> **
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                              >> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call
                              >> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                              >>>
                              >>> 73,
                              >>> Gary AL9A
                              >>
                              >> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                              >>
                              >> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based on
                              >> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                              >> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send cards
                              >> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be asked
                              >> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                              >> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point before
                              >> an award is granted.
                              >>
                              >> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                              >> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                              >> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that aren't
                              >> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                              >> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits for
                              >> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                              >>
                              >> Am I missing something?
                              >>
                              >> Al
                              >> AB2ZY
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >
                            • Paul Stoetzer
                              All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via the LOTW system. https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/
                              Message 14 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                                " All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via the LOTW system. "

                                https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/

                                On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                                 


                                > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                                > LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                                > award.

                                The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                                need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                                always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                                confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                                differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                                confirmations on every application.

                                I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                                for using LotW confirmations.

                                73,

                                ... Joe, W4TV


                                On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                > Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will deny
                                > your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ awards
                                > programs for cheating.
                                >
                                > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                                > system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                                >
                                > 73,
                                >
                                > Paul, N8HM
                                >
                                > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >> **

                                >>
                                >>
                                >> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                                >> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per call
                                >> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                                >>>
                                >>> 73,
                                >>> Gary AL9A
                                >>
                                >> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                                >>
                                >> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based on
                                >> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                                >> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send cards
                                >> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be asked
                                >> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                                >> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point before
                                >> an award is granted.
                                >>
                                >> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                                >> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                                >> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that aren't
                                >> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                                >> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits for
                                >> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                                >>
                                >> Am I missing something?
                                >>
                                >> Al
                                >> AB2ZY
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >


                              • AB2ZY
                                Wonder why that document is not on the CQ WPX award site (http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/cq_awards/cq_wpx_awards/cq_wpx_awards.html)? There is a PowerPoint
                                Message 15 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                                  Wonder why that document is not on the CQ WPX award site (http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/cq_awards/cq_wpx_awards/cq_wpx_awards.html)?

                                  There is a PowerPoint presentation on the official site now that was not there last time I looked that covers some of this information. Certainly, the "Complete Information" document is nowhere near complete and needs some updating to make it clear that there is more to the award than filling out the application and sending in the award fees if you are claiming credit for eQSL or LoTW QSOs.

                                  Thanks all,

                                  Al
                                  AB2ZY

                                  --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, Paul Stoetzer <N8HM@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > " All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via
                                  > the LOTW system. "
                                  >
                                  > https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/
                                  >
                                  > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > **
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                                  > > > LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                                  > > > award.
                                  > >
                                  > > The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                                  > > need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                                  > > always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                                  > > confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                                  > > differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                                  > > confirmations on every application.
                                  > >
                                  > > I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                                  > > for using LotW confirmations.
                                  > >
                                  > > 73,
                                  > >
                                  > > ... Joe, W4TV
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                  > > > Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will
                                  > > deny
                                  > > > your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ
                                  > > awards
                                  > > > programs for cheating.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                                  > > > system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > 73,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Paul, N8HM
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > >> **
                                  > >
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@> wrote:
                                  > > >> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per
                                  > > call
                                  > > >> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                                  > > >>>
                                  > > >>> 73,
                                  > > >>> Gary AL9A
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based
                                  > > on
                                  > > >> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                                  > > >> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send
                                  > > cards
                                  > > >> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be
                                  > > asked
                                  > > >> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                                  > > >> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point
                                  > > before
                                  > > >> an award is granted.
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                                  > > >> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                                  > > >> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that
                                  > > aren't
                                  > > >> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                                  > > >> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits
                                  > > for
                                  > > >> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> Am I missing something?
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >> Al
                                  > > >> AB2ZY
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >>
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • Joe Subich, W4TV
                                  Then how in the world does one make an application that uses all three forms of confirmation? Three separate applications (wilt separate application fees)
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                                    Then how in the world does one make an application that uses all three
                                    forms of confirmation? Three separate applications (wilt separate
                                    application fees) just isn't going to cut it.

                                    LotW should have done WAZ support first and left WPX until it grew up.

                                    73,

                                    ... Joe, W4TV


                                    On 11/2/2012 10:35 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                    > " All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via
                                    > the LOTW system. "
                                    >
                                    > https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/
                                    >
                                    > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >> **
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                                    >>> LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                                    >>> award.
                                    >>
                                    >> The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                                    >> need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                                    >> always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                                    >> confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                                    >> differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                                    >> confirmations on every application.
                                    >>
                                    >> I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                                    >> for using LotW confirmations.
                                    >>
                                    >> 73,
                                    >>
                                    >> ... Joe, W4TV
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                    >>> Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will
                                    >> deny
                                    >>> your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ
                                    >> awards
                                    >>> programs for cheating.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                                    >>> system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> 73,
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Paul, N8HM
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                                    >>>
                                    >>>> **
                                    >>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                                    >>>> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per
                                    >> call
                                    >>>> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> 73,
                                    >>>>> Gary AL9A
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based
                                    >> on
                                    >>>> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                                    >>>> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send
                                    >> cards
                                    >>>> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be
                                    >> asked
                                    >>>> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                                    >>>> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point
                                    >> before
                                    >>>> an award is granted.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                                    >>>> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                                    >>>> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that
                                    >> aren't
                                    >>>> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                                    >>>> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits
                                    >> for
                                    >>>> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Am I missing something?
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Al
                                    >>>> AB2ZY
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                  • James Rodenkirch
                                    Annnnnnnd - who, in their right mind, would even THINK about getting credits for 1,000 QSLs via LoTW where the cost is gonna be $120.00????? Damn - talk about
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                                      Annnnnnnd - who, in their right mind, would even THINK about getting credits for 1,000 QSLs via LoTW where the cost is gonna be $120.00?????

                                      Damn - talk about onerous for the user BUT a nice cash cow for that "cash-strapped, non-profit ARRL organization"!!!!!

                                      Jim R. K9JWV


                                      To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: lists@...
                                      Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:51:34 -0400
                                      Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX Updating

                                       

                                      Then how in the world does one make an application that uses all three
                                      forms of confirmation? Three separate applications (wilt separate
                                      application fees) just isn't going to cut it.

                                      LotW should have done WAZ support first and left WPX until it grew up.

                                      73,

                                      ... Joe, W4TV

                                      On 11/2/2012 10:35 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                      > " All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via
                                      > the LOTW system. "
                                      >
                                      > https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/
                                      >
                                      > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >> **
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                                      >>> LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                                      >>> award.
                                      >>
                                      >> The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                                      >> need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                                      >> always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                                      >> confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                                      >> differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                                      >> confirmations on every application.
                                      >>
                                      >> I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                                      >> for using LotW confirmations.
                                      >>
                                      >> 73,
                                      >>
                                      >> ... Joe, W4TV
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                      >>> Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will
                                      >> deny
                                      >>> your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ
                                      >> awards
                                      >>> programs for cheating.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                                      >>> system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> 73,
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Paul, N8HM
                                      >>>
                                      >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                                      >>>
                                      >>>> **
                                      >>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                                      >>>> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per
                                      >> call
                                      >>>> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>>> 73,
                                      >>>>> Gary AL9A
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based
                                      >> on
                                      >>>> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                                      >>>> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send
                                      >> cards
                                      >>>> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be
                                      >> asked
                                      >>>> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                                      >>>> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point
                                      >> before
                                      >>>> an award is granted.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                                      >>>> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                                      >>>> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that
                                      >> aren't
                                      >>>> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                                      >>>> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits
                                      >> for
                                      >>>> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Am I missing something?
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Al
                                      >>>> AB2ZY
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >

                                    • Joe Subich, W4TV
                                      ... The LotW QSO fees are for LotW support; programmers and servers are not cheap. LotW is not funded with membership money (although I think it should be -
                                      Message 18 of 18 , Nov 2, 2012
                                        > Damn - talk about onerous for the user BUT a nice cash cow for that
                                        > "cash-strapped, non-profit ARRL organization"!!!!!

                                        The LotW "QSO fees" are for LotW support; programmers and servers are
                                        not cheap. LotW is not funded with membership money (although I think
                                        it should be - particularly given the membership money being wasted on
                                        ARES and the rest of the field organization but that's an argument for
                                        a different venue).

                                        While we can debate the "fair value" of the service, it seems to me
                                        that $0.12 per QSO is a lot cheaper than $1.00 per card for domestic
                                        QSLs ($0.45 x 2 for postage plus the cost of card and envelopes) and
                                        $5.00 or more for some DX cards.

                                        73,

                                        ... Joe, W4TV


                                        On 11/2/2012 10:59 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
                                        > Annnnnnnd - who, in their right mind, would even THINK about getting credits for 1,000 QSLs via LoTW where the cost is gonna be $120.00?????
                                        >
                                        > Damn - talk about onerous for the user BUT a nice cash cow for that "cash-strapped, non-profit ARRL organization"!!!!!
                                        > Jim R. K9JWV
                                        >
                                        > To: ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com
                                        > From: lists@...
                                        > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:51:34 -0400
                                        > Subject: Re: [ARRL-LOTW] Re: WPX Updating
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        >
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                                        >
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                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Then how in the world does one make an application that uses all three
                                        >
                                        > forms of confirmation? Three separate applications (wilt separate
                                        >
                                        > application fees) just isn't going to cut it.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > LotW should have done WAZ support first and left WPX until it grew up.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > 73,
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ... Joe, W4TV
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > On 11/2/2012 10:35 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                        >
                                        >> " All applications claiming credit for LoTW prefixes must be submitted via
                                        >
                                        >> the LOTW system. "
                                        >
                                        >>
                                        >
                                        >> https://sites.google.com/site/cqwpxawards/
                                        >
                                        >>
                                        >
                                        >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >>
                                        >
                                        >>> **
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the
                                        >
                                        >>>> LoTW system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this
                                        >
                                        >>>> award.
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>> The rules are not stated that way on CQ's WPX site. They only say you
                                        >
                                        >>> need to produce the cards/confirmations if requested. I suppose it is
                                        >
                                        >>> always possible that the WPX Awards Manager will request the LotW
                                        >
                                        >>> confirmations on a routine basis but since the application does not
                                        >
                                        >>> differentiate among cards, eQSL or LotW that would mean requesting all
                                        >
                                        >>> confirmations on every application.
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>> I suspect N8BJQ needs to speak up and let everyone know the procedure
                                        >
                                        >>> for using LotW confirmations.
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>> 73,
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>> ... Joe, W4TV
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>> On 11/2/2012 10:04 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
                                        >
                                        >>>> Because if they request your cards and you don't have them, they will
                                        >
                                        >>> deny
                                        >
                                        >>>> your application and I suppose they could disqualify you from all CQ
                                        >
                                        >>> awards
                                        >
                                        >>>> programs for cheating.
                                        >
                                        >>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>> If you want to use LoTW credits, you must apply them through the LoTW
                                        >
                                        >>>> system and pay the applicable fees. Those are the rules for this award.
                                        >
                                        >>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>> 73,
                                        >
                                        >>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>> Paul, N8HM
                                        >
                                        >>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, AB2ZY <akozak@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> **
                                        >
                                        >>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> --- In ARRL-LOTW@yahoogroups.com, "Gary AL9A" <al9a@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >>>>> If you wish to use the LOTW WPX credits you must pay the 12 cent per
                                        >
                                        >>> call
                                        >
                                        >>>>> fee to ARRL, plus pay any application fees for the award to CQ.
                                        >
                                        >>>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>>> 73,
                                        >
                                        >>>>>> Gary AL9A
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> Sorry about resurrecting an old thread.
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> I've looked at the WPX application a few times. It appears to be based
                                        >
                                        >>> on
                                        >
                                        >>>>> the honor system. You fill out the QSOs you want to use to support a
                                        >
                                        >>>>> particular award on a spreadsheet and send it to CQ. You do not send
                                        >
                                        >>> cards
                                        >
                                        >>>>> or any other proof of confirmation from what I can see. You might be
                                        >
                                        >>> asked
                                        >
                                        >>>>> to provide proof, presumably through a combination of cards, eQSL AG
                                        >
                                        >>>>> confirmations and LoTW, and would need to provide it at that point
                                        >
                                        >>> before
                                        >
                                        >>>>> an award is granted.
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> Given that, why would any need (or want) to pay $0.12 for each LoTW QSO
                                        >
                                        >>>>> submitted for a WPX award unless asked to substantiate a confirmation? I
                                        >
                                        >>>>> have somewhere north of 1,000 prefixes confirmed through LoTW that
                                        >
                                        >>> aren't
                                        >
                                        >>>>> confirmed elsewhere. If I want an award I'll spend what I have to, but
                                        >
                                        >>>>> unless I'm missing something, spending $120 in my case for LoTW credits
                                        >
                                        >>> for
                                        >
                                        >>>>> an award whose confirmations may never be checked seems pointless.
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> Am I missing something?
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>> Al
                                        >
                                        >>>>> AB2ZY
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
                                        >
                                        >>>>>
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                                        >>>>>
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