RE: [AQ_NFS] Identifying nFS as data source
Sorry to take so long to get back to you - it's been a busy week.
First, let me thank you for taking my request seriously, particularly after
some of the responses to it. I appreciate your thoughtful consideration of
Second, I understand the position taken by some of the responders, that they
don't consider nFS a source. However, they have not convinced me to cease
using other genealogies as sources until I can find better sources to prove
or disprove the data collected, and my only hesitation is my original one,
namely, that when I obtain this data using AQ tools, there is no
accompanying documentation to help me later know where I acquired the data.
Notwithstanding the criticism of PAF Insight and the way it did such
documentation, I found it to be very helpful.
Third, I can see you have done a great deal of thinking about this function,
and you provide some difficult choices to think about in how I would like to
see the function work.
I do not agree with your paragraph that includes "In this case, you would
mark the item . " From my view, if you are capturing data from another data
base, it does not matter if it is merely a better spelling; the fact that I
found the data interesting enough to capture it makes it worthy of having
the source of this data identified. I do NOT want to attach a source to
some items, and not to others.
So here is my feedback (responses synched with your question numbers).
1) Prefer no checkbox - just capture the data and source where it came
2) N/A for the most part due to my answer to the previous question. I
like the idea that I can format the source, but I prefer to keep it simple
and to use the same source for all such captures. PAF Insight had a nice
feature that permitted the IGI comparison function to be applied to other
databases. It made it easy to capture selected pieces of data from db's
provided by some of my cousins. It would be nice to have a unique source
for any db from which I was capturing data, if AQ ever had such a feature,
but if nFS will be the only such db, then only one such source is required.
3) I prefer to have the source added to each item captured.
4) I have not used the Family Lines feature, but I suspect I would
want to keep it simple and have a source attached to each piece of data
I'd be happy to have the source identification of data captured feature
selectable, i.e., selectable once, not every time I use AQ. Putting it in
Preferences would be satisfactory. By making it selectable, those who think
this is a bad idea do not need to use it. I just wish they wouldn't lecture
me on how I should do my genealogy.
Thanks again for your consideration, and for making such a great product for
us to use.
From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AQ_NFS] Identifying nFS as data source
I've read not only Jim's original post on this topic, but also the
responses to it. Let me respond to all of you that are interested in
this issue from a big picture standpoint.
Automatically adding a source to information obtained from nFS has been
an ongoing request of many users, and in fact was in the initial design
of the AQ features dealing with nFS -- but it has not yet been realized.
Part of the reason that we haven't implemented this yet is that we don't
feel we have the best method for doing so, and we need more feedback.
I can see that if you have found a new piece of information in nFS, that
you might want it sourced as coming from nFS. However, you may have
merely found a better spelling of a place, and you are using the sync
capability for about the same purpose as a spell-checker. In this case,
you would mark the item from nFS to be brought into your AQ database to
improve your spelling. My guess is that you might not want this type of
update to be shown as having nFS as the source.
As a result, I don't believe it would be prudent to have a truly
automatic capability to attach a source to items you take from nFS --
you would want to attach such a source to some items, but not others.
Which means that we'd have to add a checkbox on some screens, or have AQ
ask questions via popups. This would cause additional time, energy and
keystrokes each time you perform any synching operation. One concern
that I have is adding complexity to the process of synching with nFS. As
Tom Huber mentioned, the data you would get from nFS would be a lower
level of quality in a source -- it's not an original source, rather it's
more of a personal note to yourself as to where you looked for the
So let me ask some specific questions:
1) If you are on the Individual Sync screen, and click on the option box
to move a data item from nFS to your record, would you like a checkbox
on that screen to indicate that you want a source to be attached to the
data? Or is there a better method?
2) If you were to mark such a checkbox, would you always want the same
source? Or would you have a short list of sources that you could choose
from? Such as "LDS Temple Records" or "New.FamilySearch.org" or
something else -- you would create the actual source, with title,
author, etc the way you like, but you'd have a short list from which to
3) If you are on the Family Sync screen, and import a new person to your
file, do you want a source automatically added to the record of each
person? Do you want a source added to each data item, such as Name,
Birth, Death, Burial, Baptism, etc?
4) If you use the Import Family Lines feature, do you want each imported
person, and each piece of data to have a source attached? Would it
always be the same source? Would you want AQ to ask you for each piece
of data to select a source from a short list?
So for any of you who are interested in attaching "nFS" as a source to
information obtained from nFS: think through the questions above, and
others that you might come up with as you sync your data with nFS. Put
some thought into just how you would like AQ to handle some of the
details. Let's have a bit of discussion, and see whether it makes sense
to add such a feature, or whether it would be too cumbersome to be of
value. (Remember that many users would not want to use this feature, so
any solution should be unobtrusive -- you'd probably have to activate
the feature in Preferences.)
On 9/9/2011 4:16 PM, JimLight wrote:
> I have been using AQ for a couple of years now, but I only recently
> using the synchronization with nFS feature to find and update my db with
> Ordinance data. Previously, I used the synch feature, but did all the
> updating of ordinance data manually.
> When I use AQ to update the ordinance data in my db, I would like AQ to
> update the source information for the entries updated so that later I know
> that nFS was the source of the information. I'm sure that there is some
> option I can click to make that happen, but I don't see it.
> Can someone tell me if this capability exists, and if so, how to invoke
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