881Re: [AQ_NFS] Re: Identifying nFS as data source
- Sep 10, 2011Jim
Just consider Tom's response for all of us not just yourself. As this is a forum, various people can benefit from the answers to your questions. I can understand what you want and why but I also understand Tom's response to be a good lesson in sources and documentation. Something I learned at BYU in genealogy 101 over 45 years ago. But not every one in the current genealogy community understands how to rate sources and how to substantiate them. I am sure someone on this forum benefited from Tom's response. I know I did.
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AQ_NFS] Re: Identifying nFS as data source
Thanks for the unneeded lecture.
Ordinance information MUST be taken from either nFS or from work that I do
myself at the temple. Since one of the main reasons for creating nFS was to
reduce duplicate ordinances, I will not attempt to do ordinance work for
those who already have it done, as recorded in nFS. Instead, I will capture
the ordinance data recorded in nFS, and consider that that ordinance work is
completed, unless I discover that the genealogical data for the individual
or the family involved is incorrect to the point that the ordinance work
must be considered incorrect and still needed.
When I capture this ordinance data from nFS (whether I do it manually or via
AQ), I want to document where I got the data. That way, if I subsequently
discover errors in the records, I will know where they came from and what
steps I need to do to correct the errors. When I record the ordinance data
manually, I indicate the source to be Family Search. Similarly, when I used
to capture data from the IGI using PAF Insight, that software would record
where and when I captured the data from the IGI.
I'm simply asking how this can automatically be accomplished using AQ, and
if the function is not currently available in AQ, I would like to request
that it be added.
Please don't tell me I should not capture data from whatever source I choose
to use. I can find value even in OneWorldTree, which I know to be of very
poor quality. It at least gives me a starting point for my own research.
nFS is better than that, since it also provides me the ONLY method for
submitting names to the temple for the ordinance work to be done.
From: AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 11:35 AM
Subject: [AQ_NFS] Re: Identifying nFS as data source
--- In AQ_NFS@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AQ_NFS%40yahoogroups.com> , "JimLight"
>started using the synchronization with nFS feature to find and update my db
> I have been using AQ for a couple of years now, but I only recently
with LDS Ordinance data. Previously, I used the synch feature, but did all
the updating of ordinance data manually.
>also update the source information for the entries updated so that later I
> When I use AQ to update the ordinance data in my db, I would like AQ to
know that nFS was the source of the information. I'm sure that there is some
option I can click to make that happen, but I don't see it.
The source of ordinance data is not nFS, but the Temple Ordinance Records,
whose dates and places are accessed through nFS (to be renamed Family Tree
in the future). Likewise, nFS should be treated the same as any set of
family trees, like One World Tree, etc., with a great deal of caution and
plenty of backup source material to support the dates you put in your own
I recently served as a missionary for the Family and Church History Mission
and was an assistant group leader in the training zone. Many members
mistakenly believe that the information contained in nFS is accurate and
that the family connections made through the Temple Ordinance Sealings are
the final word. They aren't.
Currently, some 80 percent of all the problems existing in nFS search are
caused by sealings of families that were never properly researched. Work is
on-going to develop ways to correct those records and allow us to properly
document and source all of the information in nFS and beyond. It may take
several more years before it is possible to accomplish that.
In the meantime, the best we can do is to make sure that our personal
records, kept apart from nFS, are accurate and fully sourced. That includes
Sources come in three flavors: primary (usually government or other
"official" records, including Church membership records (also available for
deceased relatives through nFS); secondary -- records made after the fact,
including census, delayed birth certificates, birth information on death
records (the death record is the primary source only for the death date),
obituaries, social security death index, draft and military records, and so
on; other -- compilations, such as family, county, and community histories,
and family trees, such as nFS, One World Tree, Ancestry.com family trees,
and so on.
All events need to be fully sourced with as many records as can be found. A
single record is insufficient if other records are available.
nFS, not only because it will be undergoing a name change in the future,
should not be used as a source -- The repository is The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. You are only accessing the records (Church
membership and Temple ordinance) through nFS, which acts as a portal, much
like Ancestry.com acts as a portal to U.S. Federal Census records, whose
repository is National Archives and Records Administration, 7th &
Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Washington, DC 20408.
Hopefully, this will help.
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