Re: Jerry's 57: Example net pts
- --- In APBR_analysis@y..., msg_53@h... wrote:
> Deano: do rebounds count at all in your "points produced"with
> (not "ratings")lists ?
> The reason I ask is, I tried like heck to reconcile your lists
> mine, and the big obstacle seems to be that I rank reboundershigher
> than you do. Rebounds do not produce points directly, but theyyield
> possessions, which may lead to points.No problem. I've only partially explained what the methods are and,
> Pardon my ignorance.
given my current 70 hr/week schedule, that's all it's gonna be for a
Rebounds definitely go into points produced, but only offensive
rebounds. Defensive rebounds go into the defensive rating.
Offensive rebounds are credited for what they are worth on a team.
On a team that shoots horribly, they are worth more.
Basically, I calculate the team's floor percentage with offensive
rebounds and subtract off their floor percentage without them. The
weight I generally assign to ORs is
ScPoss/(Poss + OR)
ScPoss = FG + (1-(1-FT%)^2)*0.4*FTA
Poss = FGA - OR + 0.4*FTA + TO
This is only partially accurate. I have noticed that ORs tend to
increase the likelihood of scoring, whereas this assumes that they do
You then also have to take away credit from guys who have benefitted
from the ORs. That's a bit more complicated.
Generally, though, I agree that a big difference between what I do
and what others do is in rebounds. Other people effectively weight
them more heavily than I do. Mine actually have a pretty big weight
defensively, but few people have had much credit coming from
offensive rebounds. (This is quite different from HS ball, where
offensive rebounds end up much more important by my theory/formula.)
I would, however, submit that defensive rebounds really don't produce
points. Nor do steals or blocks. They end an opponent's possession.
(They can create points, but this is almost negligible
statistically.) They are defensive stats. Including them in the
offense makes what you're calculating not measurable or confirmable.
That's why I keep them separate. It still makes for an approximate
value technique, which is what you do.
Does that help?
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