- It might be awhile -- Butler is now an assistant coach with the Wizards.

--- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "John Hollinger"

<alleyoop2@y...> wrote:>

> Nope, nothing to do with PER. I think it's related to the same system

> that told him Hedo Turkoglu was the MVP last year. How long do you

> suppose it will be before the Mavs sign Mitchell Butler?

>

>

>

>

> --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, Gabe Farkas <gabefark@y...>

> wrote:

> > Has anyone checked out Mr Cuban's latest blog entry:

> > http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000790025973 ?

> >

> > Anyone want to take a crack at deciphering? I'm

> > guessing that PER (or some permutation of it) is

> > prominently involved....

> >

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> > http://mail.yahoo.com - My guess on the salary stuff is that one of those is a kind of "raw"

salary and the other contains some kind of adjustment. That's what I

do in my version of a salary formula.

--- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Tamada" <tamada@o...>

wrote:> -----Original Message-----

> From: Gabe Farkas [mailto:gabefark@y...]

> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:54 PM

>

>

> >Has anyone checked out Mr Cuban's latest blog entry:

> >http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000790025973 ?

> >

> >Anyone want to take a crack at deciphering? I'm

> >guessing that PER (or some permutation of it) is

> >prominently involved....

>

> From his description at the beginning, it sounds a lot

> more like WinVal, or some version of it. But as for

> the actual numbers, besides the points = offense-defense

> calculation already explained, I don't know what's

> going on with the other numbers.

>

> Some guesses:

>

> impact%: we know that Sagarin and Winston devalue

> stats accumulated during garbage time, so this might

> be a measure of what percent of a player's minutes

> were non-garbage time, or perhaps an overall measure

> of the non-garbage-ness of his overall minutes.

>

> Minutes: my first guess is it's the player's minutes

> played so far, this'd be easy to check but I'm rushing

> through this

>

> Z-score: Half of this is easy, a z-score in statistics

> is the number of standard deviations that you are above

> or below the mean, an often useful universal way (units

> of measurement don't matter) of comparing different

> observations, i.e. players. The more important half

> though is: the mean of *what*? What is being measured

> here? It might be the "points" variable, or it might

> be a rawer +/- measure, or ? Actually, it's probably

> not "points", see below.

>

> PT_wins and ZS_wins: the numbers are far too high

> to represent z-scores, but might represent some measure

> of "wins produced" by the player (or by his typical

> 5-man lineup). I'm guessing one number represents

> "wins produced" as estimated by "Points" and the other

> as estimated by z-scores. Again, where these z-scores

> and offense-defense calculations come from is not clear,

> except probably from some sort of WinVal calculation.

>

> PSalary$, ZSalary$, and Salary$: more mysteries.

> Presumably some sort of salary calculation (maybe actual

> salary, maybe "estimated" or "deserved" salary), as

> calculated using "points" and "z-scores). Why the

> Salary$ figures are all 0, and what they represent, is

> a mystery to me.

>

> Teamin: presumably team's minutes played, again it'd

> be easy enough to verify this.

>

> Age, Pos Ht: these are clear.

>

> Algebra: the biggest mystery to me. And they're in

> curly brackets. Maybe they represent a "wins produced"

> calculation that comes more from theoretical algebraic

> calculations, and which relies less of pure data.

>

> +/-: Like z-scores, the general meaning is obvious,

> but the specific calculation and meaning are unknown.

>

>

> Does Cuban still use WinVal straight from Sagarin and

> Winston, or has he turned to variations on it?

>

>

> --MKT - Can someone repost his info so that the format is clear?

I can't even read what's in the columns.

DeanO

Dean Oliver

Consultant to the Seattle Supersonics

Author, Basketball on Paper

http://www.basketballonpaper.com

"Basketball on Paper is a revolutionary strike for statistical

analysis of the game of basketball..." Hoopsworld.com's Kevin Pelton

--- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "mrintp2000" <shzys@n...> wrote:

>

> I doubt it's PER, but I can't make any sense of his PTS index???

>

> --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, Gabe Farkas <gabefark@y...> wrote:

> > Has anyone checked out Mr Cuban's latest blog entry:

> > http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000790025973 ?

> >

> > Anyone want to take a crack at deciphering? I'm

> > guessing that PER (or some permutation of it) is

> > prominently involved....

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> > Do You Yahoo!?

> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

> > http://mail.yahoo.com - Putting it into NotePad makes it slightly more

readable, but I'm still struggling with getting it

into Excel.

A small ".txt" file is attached...

--- Dean Oliver <deano@...> wrote:

>

__________________________________________________

> Can someone repost his info so that the format is

> clear?

>

> I can't even read what's in the columns.

>

> DeanO

>

> Dean Oliver

> Consultant to the Seattle Supersonics

> Author, Basketball on Paper

> http://www.basketballonpaper.com

> "Basketball on Paper is a revolutionary strike for

> statistical

> analysis of the game of basketball..."

> Hoopsworld.com's Kevin Pelton

>

>

> --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "mrintp2000"

> <shzys@n...> wrote:

> >

> > I doubt it's PER, but I can't make any sense of

> his PTS index???

> >

> > --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, Gabe Farkas

> <gabefark@y...> wrote:

> > > Has anyone checked out Mr Cuban's latest blog

> entry:

> > >

> http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000790025973 ?

> > >

> > > Anyone want to take a crack at deciphering? I'm

> > > guessing that PER (or some permutation of it) is

> > > prominently involved....

> > >

> > >

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