Re: Differences between young Americans and young foreign players
- --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "doc319" <doc319@y...> wrote:
> This is almost exactly the point that I have been making over inOne thing I'd like to point out with all this consideration of
> APBR. I suggested that Argentina would be lucky to win 20 games in
> the NBA as an expansion team, but we agree on the larger point:
> Argentina's team is assembled for the purpose of winning the
> Olympics under FIBA rules and if the U.S. wants to win Olympic
> titles under FIBA rules then it has to assemble the team accordingly
> and give the team adequate preparation time under those rules.
> Argentina and the other teams would struggle as much or more under
> NBA rules as Team USA did under FIBA rules, but if the U.S. wants to
> win in the Olympics then the U.S. has to adjust to FIBA rules.
adapting to rules is that it works both ways. If we reason that it
would take a little while for Americans to get used to International
Rules, then we should consider that some of these Europeans who
supposedly "haven't worked out" in the NBA just weren't given enough
time. Looking at some of the foreign players, many of them did take a
couple years to get as good as they have become.
Frankly, international rules seem fine to me. Exciting basketball. A
bit more offense. Definitely a lot of good interior passing. Not
sure why interior passing is so rare in the US. The trapezoidal lane
doesn't explain it unless you stretch your arguments a long ways.
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> > Yet, I agree that the USA is unlikely to be a prohibitive favorite
> > international competition.
> > Why the difference? Several factors, all of them mentioned before
> > by others, one of the most important being the one you mention
> > above (in the underlined section) -- the unfamiliar rules. Add
> > Argentina as the 31st team in the NBA, and my guess is they'd win
> > maybe 35 games at best. Partly due to the rule differences.
> > But of course Argentina is not contending for the NBA championship.
> > The US is trying to contend for Olympic championships, and facing
> > attendant disadvantages.
> > But, the reason why the US is not the prohibitive favorite, is not
> > to lack of overwhelming talent, not solely anyway. The talent
> > though unquestionably eroding, is still large. It's the other
> > such as rule differences, lack of national team training, etc.
> which are
> > also important.
> > So talent level <> Olympic destiny, or for that matter NBA destiny
> > the Pistons proved to the Lakers. The phrase "In other words"
> > out the role of these other important factors, above and beyond
> > --MKT
- Just to clarify, I agree that the adapting to rules scenario works
both ways. My point was that I think that it was actually an
impressive achievement for this thrown together NBA team to win a
bronze medal under FIBA rules because I doubt that any of the
foreign teams could do the equivalent in the NBA on such short
notice. Certainly, many foreign players can adapt to the NBA given
time, just as the NBA team showed improvement over the course of the
Olympics, beating both teams that were 5-0 in pool play.
> One thing I'd like to point out with all this consideration of
> adapting to rules is that it works both ways. If we reason that it
> would take a little while for Americans to get used to
> Rules, then we should consider that some of these Europeans whoenough
> supposedly "haven't worked out" in the NBA just weren't given
> time. Looking at some of the foreign players, many of them didtake a
> couple years to get as good as they have become.Other than the shaky officiating--and getting past the frustration
of seeing the U.S. team struggle at times--FIBA ball is entertaining
> Frankly, international rules seem fine to me. Exciting
> bit more offense. Definitely a lot of good interior passing. Notlane
> sure why interior passing is so rare in the US. The trapezoidal
> doesn't explain it unless you stretch your arguments a long ways.