--- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com
, "John Hollinger"
> Personally, I'd take Sweetney without thinking twice about it. I had
> him rated higher than Frahm even last year, and as I think we
> discussed, Frahm's numbers change quite a bit if you throw out that
> 31-point game. Additionally, while neither is much of a defender,
> Sweetney is certainly the more valuable of the two at that end.
> Finally, Sweetney is five years younger.
> Dean mentioned that Frahm may get more playing time this year, which
> certainly is plausible, but keep in mind his contract isn't
> guaranteed until he makes the team, which tells me Portland is going
> to keep shopping for somebody better. Also, they have this misguided
> idea that Qyntel Woods can play, so he's possibly going to take a lot
> of minutes that would otherwise go to Frahm.
I will admit that my perception of Frahm and Sweetney is a bit tied to
what I saw in summer leagues and I don't yet know how to translate
summer league stuff. Both looked pretty good, but Frahm surprised me
more and didn't seem to be taking advantage of the weaker competition
as much (Sweetney drew tons of fouls in a foul-laden league). (Qyntel
Woods didn't look that good to me, but most people surrounding me felt
like he looked good.)
Number-wise, even if I remove Frahm's 31 pt night, his ability to
shoot the ball is very impressive. In games where he played 10+
minutes, he was a positive player, even if you throw out that 31 pt
night. If I look only at nights where he used 17+% of team
possessions, he's still a positive player if you throw out the 31 pt
night. I've had luck picking this kind of player before. Still, I
need to do some analysis to figure out what's sustainable and sample
size is small.
The 31 pt night was quite the anomaly for Frahm. It was quite the
anomaly for anyone. I can't find many nights like that for players.
Tony Delk's 53 pt blow up a few years ago is close. Uncle Cliffy had
one in 2000, too, that was pretty different from what you'd expect.
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> --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, Coach McCormick
> <highfivehoopschool@y...> wrote:
> > Frahm also played pro ball in Germany after Gonzaga and improved
> his strength and overall ability. After one year in Germany, he was
> so much better than anyone at Gonzaga it was scary. Skinner, Knight,
> Stepp, Dickau, etc could do nothing with him; he was single-handedly
> winning pick-up games, a lot like John Stockton used to do when he'd
> play with the Zags during his summer workouts.
> > tajallie@h... wrote:--- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin
> > <kpelton08@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have four guys who played between 200 and 500 minutes rated as
> > > a .500 efficiency or better last season -- Richie Frahm, Zendon
> > > Hamilton, Sweetney, and Raef LaFrentz, in that order. Throw out
> > > LaFrentz, since that was just because of injury and he's an
> > > established NBA guy.
> > >
> > I recall that Frahm was a pretty decent college player on a very
> > good Gonzaga team, a team that did much better in the tourny then
> > the Hoya's with Sweetney (they went to the sweet 16 and the elite 8
> > his junior and senior years). He was the leading scorer on the
> > 8 team - averaged 17PPG, 4.4Reb and 2.4ass on very effective
> > shooting (.402 from downtown, 1.43PPSA) and he didn't turn the ball
> > over or foul at all. He gerenally played very well in the NCAA's
> > (26,15,17 ppg b-4 getting shut down by UCONN in the elite 8) and he
> > lit up Memphis for 37 and Purdue for 16 in the preseason. Given his
> > performance in the college and his strong eff numbers in his
> > chances in the NBA, I would guess based on stats alone he would
> > to be right up their with Sweetney. Of course he isn't, but I just
> > wanted to point out maybe you are also considering some of the
> > less tangible performance measures (height, athleticism,
> > perceptions) in picking Sweentey over Frahm. (Although Sweenty #'s
> > might be a little better in the NBA, turnovers, blocks and rebs
> > the long-ball, it would depend on the team need).
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