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Re: the Ruben Patterson effect

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  • monepeterson
    ... And so he has, allegedly Jason Terry, Alan Henderson and a first for Walker and Tony Delk. Terry and Henderson come off the books after this year, so
    Message 1 of 57 , Aug 3, 2004
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      > Cuban is a very good marketer. It's amazing that other teams will
      > occasionally talk themselves into a corner with their own bad player,
      > making it evident to other teams ways to negotiate for a better deal
      > in a trade. I think most teams have caught on that Walker isn't very
      > useful overall, but I'm betting Cuban will get good value for him by
      > talking him up.

      And so he has, allegedly Jason Terry, Alan Henderson and a first for Walker and Tony Delk.
      Terry and Henderson come off the books after this year, so barring re-signed players, it's
      Delk for a first. I don't get it. Why does Atlanta make this deal?
    • Daniel Flemming
      ... Hash: SHA1 ... No, this is wrong. It s wrong because it favours bench players. Guys like Bowen and Artest (and especially Bowen, because he s older)
      Message 57 of 57 , Aug 5, 2004
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        On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 smckibbi@... wrote:

        > Great idea. Perhaps the criteria for deciding which swingman is guarding who
        > would be the team's overall def points per 100 possessions when the swingman
        > is on the court. The one with the lower pts/100 poss is guarding the better
        > offensive player.

        No, this is wrong. It's wrong because it favours bench players. Guys like
        Bowen and Artest (and especially Bowen, because he's older) usually don't
        guard the opposing bench's best player; they take a rest when the other
        side's coach brings his bench players onto the floor.

        You get a guy like Peterson on the Raptors, he's usually on the floor when
        the other side's bench is, and usually not when their starters are. Now,
        he's a good defender, but his stats are going to get enhanced under this
        formula.

        Here's a Modest Proposal: Track the overall offensive production per
        minute or possession of the opposing team's players that a particular
        player defends. Compare that to their offensive production per minute or
        possession while he's on the floor. A negative result means a good
        defender, a positive result means a bad one, zero means average.
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