How did the Bucks win?
- I look at the PER and only Redd and Mason really did positive in per
Turns out Redd actually had the lowest on off court rating ironically
How is this possible?
How did the Bucks manage 41 wins with Michael Redd and Desmond Mason
and a bunch of mediocre players?
Was it the fact they played in the East that helped inflate their
Did they just play their distinct roles very well?
Is Michael Redd really that good, along with Desmond?
>From: "nickouli5" <NikoTMP@...>Well - considering the team played MUCH better when Redd was off the court -
>Subject: [APBR_analysis] How did the Bucks win?
>Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:25:44 -0000
>Is Michael Redd really that good, along with Desmond?
I don't think we can call him "that good" yet.
Now with Mason - the team played much better with him on the court. He
seemed to make the biggest positive influence on the team of any regular
player. Plus he was better than average in PER and PER differential.
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> >Is Michael Redd really that good, along with Desmond?court -
> Well - considering the team played MUCH better when Redd was off the
> I don't think we can call him "that good" yet.I'd still call him quite good. As DanR has pointed out, there is a
lot of noise in some of these data. My methods have the ability to
incorporate Roland's data into them and those data can make a
difference. With Redd, they lower his win-loss record from 10.3-4.1
to 9.4-5.0. One game of difference is a reasonable sized difference,
but he is still a good player.
The benefit of the method for incorporating context is that it reduces
noise that is in the data and still gives credit for what the
individual did to cause some of that team problem. It may miss things
like picks on the offensive end, but it does account for defensive
stuff quite well (Redd's defense takes a hit here, whereas his offense
stays about the same).
> Now with Mason - the team played much better with him on the court. He
> seemed to make the biggest positive influence on the team of any
> player. Plus he was better than average in PER and PER differential.His individual win-loss record goes from 5.5-4.5 to 5.8-4.2, still an
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- Whats weird is that most of the NBA elite are barely capable of
getting 45 wins being the ONLY player on their team. And we are
talking about very good players, the ELITE of the league. Guys like
Duncan, Shaq and KG. Guys who can win 45 games by themselves
Its just when I see a team like the Bucks win 41 games I wonder how
they get it done. Jordan alone with poor support couldn't win much
more than 41, why can Michael Redd do the same?