- since his defensive variation from 0 is basically 6x his offensive one, can we conclude that he s out there for his defense? or is that stretching it? ...Message 1 of 57 , Jul 27, 2004View Sourcesince his defensive variation from 0 is basically 6x
his offensive one, can we conclude that he's out there
for his defense? or is that stretching it?
--- Roland Beech <roland@...> wrote:
> there are pages for each player with the on/off__________________________________
> influence, so for Patterson see
> on a points per 100 possessions basis the Blazers
> scored +0.2 more per poss. with Patterson out there
> allowed -1.3 fewer points on defense with him
> ...so they were +1.5 points per 100 poss. net better
> with him (which contrasts with his straight +/-
> on/off effect that does not adjust for the higher
> defensive possessions faced)
> as for the suggestion for the study I'll make a
> note, and yes it would be easy enough to do, and yes
> I imagine most of the guys with imbalanced
> possessions are better in the facet for which they
> are on court more (eg take out the offensive guy
> when the team is facing a def. poss coming up)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gabe Farkas
> To: APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [APBR_analysis] Re: the Ruben
> Patterson effect
> well that in itself might be an interesting study:
> does Patterson's presence as a "defensive stopper"
> influence the other team's scoring ability at all?
> it might be interesting to look at guys who are on
> way more offensive than defensive possessions, or
> vice-versa, and see if they really do have an
> is that possible?
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- ... Hash: SHA1 ... No, this is wrong. It s wrong because it favours bench players. Guys like Bowen and Artest (and especially Bowen, because he s older)Message 57 of 57 , Aug 5, 2004View Source-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 smckibbi@... wrote:
> Great idea. Perhaps the criteria for deciding which swingman is guarding who
> would be the team's overall def points per 100 possessions when the swingman
> is on the court. The one with the lower pts/100 poss is guarding the better
> offensive player.
No, this is wrong. It's wrong because it favours bench players. Guys like
Bowen and Artest (and especially Bowen, because he's older) usually don't
guard the opposing bench's best player; they take a rest when the other
side's coach brings his bench players onto the floor.
You get a guy like Peterson on the Raptors, he's usually on the floor when
the other side's bench is, and usually not when their starters are. Now,
he's a good defender, but his stats are going to get enhanced under this
Here's a Modest Proposal: Track the overall offensive production per
minute or possession of the opposing team's players that a particular
player defends. Compare that to their offensive production per minute or
possession while he's on the floor. A negative result means a good
defender, a positive result means a bad one, zero means average.
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