RE: [APBR_analysis] Re: more on "under "and "over" rated in new performance rankings
> >Which guys do you like this year?Given that I'm a Celtics fan, looking towards the future is probably the
> From college this year, well, I dunno yet. Final stats aren't in - so I
>haven't started te TEDIOUS task of compiling them yet.
>Off my cuff - I would be very suprised if anyone rated better than Okafor.
>I'll definitely give you my sleepers from the draft if you'd like. I pretty
>much say "Player A looks much better than Player B - yet B was drafted
>My ratings didn't like Dejuan Wagner also. My original partial ratings
>hated Rodney White.
>I'm at work, don't have the info - but no one stood out this last season as
>being drafted way too late. Ratings liked Carmelo (obviously). Liked
>Sweetney too - and he hasn't done alot.
>Hmmmm - I think Heinrich and Collison looked good. Ford not quite as good
>as Heinrich (but DEFINITELY better than previous sorta similar statistics
>players - aka Tinsley, Cleaves, etc). Man, I can't remember lol.
>Someday, when my site is up - I'll dust off all that old info - and outline
>how my results are derived.
>If people are interested here - I can post some info. I know it's a PRO bb
>- but these guys do BECOME pros (usually) ;)
best incentive right now. How does Ryan Gomes from Providence look? I
know he's only a junior, and he's probably an All-American this year, but
it's always nice to think about former RI college players getting on the
Celtics. I have secret desires of Cuttino Mobley, Lamar Odom, and Ryan
Gomes teaming up on the Celtics someday. Tyson Wheeler can round out the
... But getting back on to the topic of Gomes. I've looked a bit at his
numbers and noticed an incredibly high efficiency - 51.3% from the field,
35.9% from 3, 88.4% from FT, 34.7 mpg. 19 points and 9.5 rebounds a
game. Do you have some sort of formula or weights that can be disclosed
publicly? I'd also be interested in the other comps and rates for players
I've watched this year - Jameer Nelson and Delonte West of St. Joe's,
Hawkins of Temple.
- I will agree that Manu has been gambling since about mid-season when
he moved to the bench more than he did in the beggining of the season
(in fact much more).
I actually thought he cut down on the gambling A LOT from last
season, but there was a game in New Orleans, when he came off the
bench and did it at a crucial point of the game and might have been a
huge reason the Spurs lost the game. He usually never made those
type of mistakes down the stretch of games.
Either way, I think he is generally a very solid defender. Even
though he gambles a bit these days, he still creates a lot of
turnovers via charges and steals.
And about 2001, I know Bowen was not around. But I was trying to
kind of hint towards the TWIN TOWER approach maybe being the primary
reason an SG/SF always is in the top TENDEX defensive ratings since
2001 (maybe even before that) if we were to check.
If Bowen is the reason for the SG's being held so low, then why is
the SG production PER at a net positive at +2.5? And negative at the
SF position (or was once close to it)? He certainly doesn't put up
LARGE PER and Turkoglu altough is scoring more these days and
grabbing rebounds, I would have to assume Manu, Turk, AND Bowen are
all playing solid defense. If there is any weakness in the D its
with Parker slightly, and even MORE SO at the backup PG position for
Of course the two 7 footer approach helps them all become a little
more risky etc..... But I don't see how Manu and Hedo cannot being
doing solid defensively, when the PER, defensive ratings are solid
across the board? Isn't it safe to conclude the Spurs are getting
reasonable production on both ends with the THREE MAN ROTATIOn at the
SG and SF? And the reason the SF might be low is solely because of
Bowens lack of scoring at times?