Re: stats to keep track of
- --- In APBR_analysis@y..., bchaikin@a... wrote:
> dean -for
> i agree...one stat i'd really like to see compiled by the league is
> "turnovers forced" - a stat for any turnover where a steal is notgiven
> credit for. better yet, what i would like to see is that every timea
> turnover is committed but a steal not credited, that a defender begiven
> credit for a "turnover forced"....these "turnovers
> now you know as well as i do that half or more of all of
> forced" will in actual fact have nothing to do with the defendergiven credit
> for it, but in the long run patterns will emerge of those playersthat do
> indeed force the most turnovers. any turnover that wasn't actuallyforced i'd
> just give credit to the defender guarding the player that committedthe
> turnover at that moment. even a 3 sec call i'd credit a turnoverforced to
> the man closest to the player it was called on. zone or no zonecredit a
> turnover forced to the player closest. this may not always be easybut a
> statistician used to crediting assists and such would get the hangof it
> eventually...This is one in my spreadsheet. I allow (since I ain't the NBA)
forced TO's to be awarded as halves, too, so that the guy guarding
the man with the ball can get half and the guy who doubles can get
half, for instance. Same thing with forced misses. Very simple, but
very important pieces of info.
I also agree that recording of steals is pretty haphazard. I follow
the game on the internet as I score it and there are always a few
calls that I just don't understand. Sometimes a guy not even in the
play will get a steal. That's the worst. I do think that steals are
often poorly awarded, too. The guy on the ball often forces a bad
pass through pressure, then the guy who picks off the pass was
terribly out of position but gets the steal.
Blocks are another one that I question.
(I noticed last night a pattern in studying the Lakers last season.
Basically their defense picked up significantly in the playoffs. And
I always wondered why. I think I finally identified "who", which
links a little bit to the why. This is for later....)
- --- In APBR_analysis@y..., "Dean Oliver" <deano@t...> wrote:
> I also agree that recording of steals is pretty haphazard. Ifollow
> the game on the internet as I score it and there are always a fewthe
> calls that I just don't understand. Sometimes a guy not even in
> play will get a steal. That's the worst. I do think that stealsare
> often poorly awarded, too. The guy on the ball often forces a badLast night, the Raptors "set a record" for blocks with 24. Pretty
> pass through pressure, then the guy who picks off the pass was
> terribly out of position but gets the steal.
> Blocks are another one that I question.
dubious record. Dave Cowens expressed some doubt, too:
``Maybe some of the layups that we missed were so bad that they gave
them a block. I don't know, 24 blocks, that's a lot of blocks.''
I've definitely seen many cases where guys are awarded blocks when
someone does simply miss badly. That's what makes efforts at scoring
the games, like what Stuart is doing or I've tried to do with the
defensive stuff, particularly hard. Whereas baseball scoring is slow
and not controversial, basketball is fast and the official scorers
make some interesting decisions.