Re: Seattle Resurgence?
- --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Tamada" <tamada@o...>
> But your stats suggest that the Sonics' defense is the same asIt's just further evidence, in my opinion, that the defensive reps
> before, which isn't great but at least it didn't get worse when
> Payton left. Whereas their defensive reputations suggest that that
> is where the Sonics would've been hurt by GP's departure.
for both players are misstated. While I've never heard a scout say
it, people like JohnH and DeanO have questioned Payton's rep for a
long time and I've agreed (though I did disagree with Dean about him
being at the same level of Barry).
Allen is obviously not anywhere close to being the worst defender in
the league, as Karl once called him in Milwaukee. He's not a plus as
a defender, but he's not really going to hurt you either.
A few things keep the Payton-Allen comparison from really being fair:
1. Kevin Ollie is probably the best defender against quick point
guards the Sonics have had all season.
2. Brent Barry is still affected by tendinitis, but healthier than he
had been, which has improved his play at both ends of the court.
(Offensively, I see him as being right back at his stellar 01-02
level since the trade.)
3. Most importantly, Jerome James has been playing more minutes (at
least I think so) since the trade, at the expense of Predrag
Drobnjak, who is an awful defender. James makes a lot of mistakes,
but he's also done a fine job of cleaning up messes created out on
If anybody's interested, I have full individual/team stats pre- and
post-trade I could post over the weekend. Of course, if they lose
this game to Chicago because of McMillan's refusal to use James or
Evans down the stretch and go down against Minnesota, nobody will
really care, right?
- --- In APBR_analysis@yahoogroups.com, "Mike G" <msg_53@h...> wrote:
> What matters is that x points and y rebounds occurred in z minutes.This is actually misleading. I won't say wrong, but misleading.
Pace is very important. Many of the individual stats are offensive
and without adjustment for pace overweight players who just put up a
lot of offensive stats _per minute_. And pace is mostly (not
entirely) a function of a decision about pace, not ability (though
ability has a small impact). How fast or slow teams play reflects
primarily on their style not their substance. How many points and
rebounds per minute reflects both style and substance. Removing pace
more isolates the substance.
The way common possessions do it is by isolating another variable in
addition to minutes that is common between both teams on the floor.
Both teams have 48 minutes to win. Both teams have 100 possessions
to win in a fast game or 85 in a slow game or whatever. But both
opponents have the same number (not true with small possessions
= "plays"). So, yes, what matters is what happens per minute, but it
is equivalent to say that what matters is what happens per
possession. And what happens per possession isolates quality better
than what happens per minute.