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Re: all-time Pistons team

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  • Mike Goodman
    ... Grant Hill played at superstar level, Dave Bing was merely an allstar, for several years each. Both played for crappy teams, as evidenced by only 3%
    Message 1 of 3 , Jul 1, 2001
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      --- In APBR_analysis@y..., Jim Hekel <jhekel@y...> wrote:
      > Why do you think Dave Bing ranks so low. He was one of
      > the greats of the game. I was also surprised that
      > Grant Hill, in just 450 games, ranked ahead of Joe
      > Dumars in 1,130 games. Jim Hekel, Rowley, Iowa.
      >
      Grant Hill played at superstar level, Dave Bing was merely an
      allstar, for several years each. Both played for crappy teams, as
      evidenced by only 3% playoff time. Bing also did not make good use
      of his playoffs, playing at only 90% of his regular season rate,
      while Hill basically maintained his excellent production.
      At one point in his career, Grant Hill had more triple doubles
      than every other active player combined; and he led his team in
      scoring, rebounding, and assists, 3 or 4 years straight.
      While Bing was a phenomenal scorer for guards in his era, I
      believe he had an eye injury, and other injuries that curtailed his
      prime years. Both he and Bob Lanier, among the best at their
      positions, had major gaps in their minutes.
      The top 4 career Pistons in games played were members of the '89-
      '90 champions.
      As for Joe Dumars, he is probably my favorite Piston. But what is
      sometimes called "the Joe Dumars effect" is that some guys who are
      extremely valuable just don't put up huge numbers. There are efforts
      to measure defensive ability, but I believe one has to go over the
      game film and record defensive stops and such, which is beyond the
      scope of my work. My naive hope is that players such as Dumars get
      more minutes because of their "intangibles", and in the course of
      playing those minutes, they pick up enough points, steals, etc., to
      get most of the credit they are due.
      I think Dumars was the only player who ever regularly slowed
      Jordan. Once Jordan learned to beat Dumars, the world was his.
      Joe did not have great postseasons, after those 2 championships.

      > > G RegSea PO% Playof RS PO T
      > > 1 Isiah 1090 32.0 .11 35.1 5916 2400 8316
      > > 2 Lanier 703 37.8 .04 44.3 6177 1459 7636
      > > 3 Laimbeer 1050 28.5 .11 26.6 4717 1522 6240
      > > 4 G. Hill 450 38.1 .03 37.6 5078 880 5958
      > > 5 Dumars 1130 25.5 .10 24.6 4202 1396 5598
      > > 6 Foust 445 32.5 .08 32.8 3769 1091 4860
      > > 7 Bing 691 28.8 .03 25.9 4132 568 4700
      > > 8 Vinnie 906 24.3 .11 25.3 3119 1249 4368
      > > 9 Rodman 643 26.7 .13 22.5 3200 992 4192
      > > 10 Yardley 372 30.5 .10 30.8 3180 1007 4187
      > > 11 Howell 408 30.7 .05 24.4 3408 550 3958
      > > 12 Dantley 230 30.3 .17 30.6 2413 1017 3430
      > > 13 DeBusscher 450 26.0 .03 27.5 2771 489 3260
      > > 14 Tripucka 370 27.9 .05 23.2 3240 479 3240
      > > 15 R. Scott 426 26.1 .04 26.2 2688 522 3210
      > > 16 Aguirre 375 25.8 .15 26.0 2163 1041 3204
      > > 17 Salley 554 22.3 .19 23.4 2102 1073 3176
      > > 18 Stackhouse 269 31.1 .03 24.0 2806 302 3108
      > > 19 Shue 469 22.9 .06 23.7 2424 628 3051
      > > 20 T. Mills 487 26.2 .02 21.4 2639 301 2940
      > >
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