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1209Re: white American players

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  • doc319
    Aug 23, 2002
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      Just to make my question perfectly clear: in Mike's posting
      referring to "good," "whitAm," and "black" players (his categories,
      not mine), on what basis is a player included in these categories?
      Isn't it obvious that how one determines membership in these
      categories will shape the answer to the question of whether
      one "group" is "chasing out" another "group" or not? Isn't it equally
      obvious that there are a certain number of players who realistically
      could be included in either or both groups and doesn't that make the
      whole question of one "race" allegedly "chasing out" another "race"
      silly? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply compare players without
      referring at all to their race?


      --- In APBR_analysis@y..., "mikel_ind" <msg_53@h...> wrote:
      > Transplanting a thread from the APBR site, I wonder if we can get
      > anywhere with this.
      >
      > There was some curiousity over there about the NBA talent level,
      and
      > the diminishing role of white Americans in the league. So I did a
      > bit of a survey.
      >
      > I took an arbitrary cutoff point -- 25, in my t*nd*ex-like system --

      > and called players above this 'good' players, and counted how
      > many 'good' players were in the NBA/ABA every 5 years since 1952.
      >
      > Here is the summary:
      >
      > year good whit whAm black
      > 1952 2.00 2.00 2.00 0.00
      > 1957 2.38 2.13 2.13 0.25
      > 1962 2.78 1.44 1.44 1.33
      > 1967 2.30 0.70 0.70 1.60
      > 1972 2.82 0.89 0.89 1.93
      > 1977 3.77 1.09 1.09 2.68
      > 1982 3.87 1.00 1.00 2.87
      > 1987 3.78 0.52 0.52 3.26
      > 1992 3.93 0.59 0.44 3.33
      > 1997 3.93 0.66 0.41 3.28
      > 2002 4.10 0.66 0.34 3.45
      >
      > Lately, I have checked by another definition of 'good': players
      who
      > are on my 'top 526' list of career totals. We might call
      > them 'significant players', though some of them may never have been
      > particularly 'good'.
      >
      > Seeing the year 1977 as the last high-water mark for white
      American
      > influence, I have tracked who has entered the league each year
      since
      > 1975.
      >
      > Categories are New Players, White, White Americans
      >
      > year NP W A - NP W A %WH %WA
      > 1975 14 5 5 - 14 5 5 .36 .36
      > 1976 14 3 3 - 28 8 8 .29 .29
      > 1977 `8 0 0 - 36 8 8 .22 .22
      >
      > The second set of columns represents running totals since 1975.
      >
      > year NP W A - NP Wh WA %WH %WA 5Yr
      > 1978 18 4 4 - 54 12 12 .22 .22
      > 1979 10 1 1 - 64 13 13 .20 .20 .20
      > 1980 14 3 3 - 78 16 16 .20 .20 .17
      > 1981 14 4 4 - 92 20 20 .22 .22 .19
      >
      > The last column is last-5-year % of entering players who were white
      > Americans.
      >
      > year NP W A - Tot Wh WA %WH %WA 5Yr
      > 1982 18 6 6 - 110 26 26 .24 .24 .24
      > 1983 13 1 1 - 123 27 27 .22 .22 .22
      > 1984 15 2 2 - 138 29 29 .21 .21 .22
      > 1985 18 3 3 - 156 32 32 .21 .21 .21
      > 1986 16 2 1 - 172 34 33 .20 .19 .16
      > 1987 14 3 3 - 186 37 36 .20 .19 .13
      > 1988 14 1 1 - 200 38 37 .19 .19 .13
      > 1989 21 6 5 - 221 44 42 .20 .19 .16
      >
      > 1990 20 1 0 - 241 45 42 .19 .17 .12
      > 1991 19 1 1 - 260 46 43 .18 .17 .11
      > 1992 12 0 0 - 272 46 43 .17 .16 .09
      > 1993 13 2 2 - 285 48 45 .17 .16 .09
      > 1994 18 2 1 - 303 50 46 .17 .15 .05
      >
      > We are seeing fewer 'significant' players entering now because they
      > aren't there yet (fewer than 10 years service).
      >
      > year T W A - Tot Wh WA %WH %WA 5Yr
      > 1995 9 0 0 - 312 50 46 .16 .15 .06
      > 1996 9 1 0 - 321 51 46 .16 .14 .05
      > 1997 4 0 0 - 325 51 46 .16 .14 .06
      > 1998 4 0 0 - 329 51 46 .16 .14 .02
      > 1999 2 0 0 - 331 51 46 .15 .14 .00
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