1177Re: Euclidian comparison of current and past players
- Aug 2 2:43 PM--- In APBR_analysis@y..., "Michael K. Tamada" <tamada@o...> wrote:
> ... I think the lack of rate and ratio statisticsIt depends on what you want your formula to do. I was in a mood to
> weakens the formula.
look at career totals. Blending in production rates gets into all
manner of prioritizing. That's what I usually do. And I catch heck
for it, generally.
>If nothing else, I think you should put career totalbut who
> minutes in there, to distinguish players who had similar totals,
> may've amassed their stats at different rates. E.g.:Yes. And the knowledgable reader may know how long it took to amass
> > Mookie Blaylock
> > .41 Cheeks
> > .54 Richie Guerin
> > .63 KJ
> It's believable that KJ's career totals may be fairly similar to
> Blaylock's, but KJ piled up the points and assists (per game and per
> minute) faster than Mookie.
the totals. Still, I think it tells us something.
Actually, I think it lends a bit of fascination to see dissimilar
players arriving at the same totals: Dan Majerle and Sidney
Moncrief? Vlade Divac and Dave DeBusschere? Shaq and McHale ??
>Also the lack of a FG% measure (corrected fordifferences
> era if you want to get fancy) means that one of the biggest
> between Cheeks and Blaylock isn't getting measured.True enough. And Mookie was a 3-point artist, so that is gonna make
things even murkier. Have I said "points is points" lately?
> > Chris Webber
> > .28 Mickey Johnson
> > Tim Duncan
> > .23 Thurl Bailey
> Two more examples of the pitfalls of looking only at totals and not
> of course Webber and Duncan are both young and so their careertotals are
> unknown, so getting good matches is much more complex.Don't think of it as a pitfall; think of it as a contrast. We know
Duncan has been around about a third as long as Bailey played; so his
achievment is phenomenal.
>Interestingly, Ito each
> think of Mickey Johnson and Thurl Bailey as being sort of similar
> other: tall thin guys who were too skinny for PF but much tallerthan
> typical SFs of the era, who could score in a variety of ways (notjust
> inside plodders).Mickey Johnson was a forerunner of the passing forwards we see
today: Webber, Mason, Garnett, etc. In the late '70s, he was pretty
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