Fwd: The Qeiyafa Ostracon
- Recently I suggested Socoh for Qeifaya (because it was a good
'lookout'); yesterday it was Gob (Nadav Na`aman); today the bidding
ceases. Yosef Garfinkel has just demonstrated that it is Sha`arayim
(Dual gates) by producing the second gate. It is mentioned as the
starting point of the chasing of the Philistines back to Gath and
Ekron, after David slew Goliath (1 Samuel 17:52; cp. Joshua 15:36).
Incidentally, and intriguingly, and interestingly, Aren Maeir is
allowed the last word, from Gath: David and Solomon are not figments.
We now learn from San Francisco that 10 of the 50 letters on the
ostracon have faded away, and it is going to be put into Cedars Sinai
hospital in Los Angeles, to make it better. But we still have the
words for servant, judge, and king, which is very fitting for a time
of supposed change from rulers called ShPTM to MLKM (from the Book of
Judges to the 4 books of Kings).
And the king would be Saul, who ruled from Gib`ah a few miles north of
(Still Albright's Tell el-Fûl?)
Or David, who moved from there to Jerusalem?
(I note that little David is said to have taken Goliath's head to
Jerusalem, though the city was not the capital at that time; 1 Sam
Am I a minimalist? You will never pin that rap on me.
I am a radical conservative, or vice versa.
Massey U, NZ
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Brian Colless <briancolless@...>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Date: 19 November 2008 1:20:36 AM
> To: ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: The Qeiyafa Ostracon: A Chronicle
> On 18/11/2008, at 1:51 PM, Yitzhak Sapir wrote:
>> While guesses abound about the nature of the discovered ostracon, the
>> Qeiyafa excavation team has posted the chronicle. It appears from the
>> chronicle that there is some rivalry between this site and nearby
> Thanks for alerting us to this, Yitzhak.
> I was the one who hounded Aren Maeir for more information about his
> 11/9 explosion (what some silly people confusingly call 9/11) on "11
> September 2008" (though it was 14/9/08 when I butted in).
> More recently have said on Khirbet Qeiyafa:
> A name for the place in the Bible? Could it be ´Socoh ["Lookout?"
> Root s´k h, look, watch] , "belonging to Judah", near the Elah valley
> (I Sam 17:1-2)? . The Philistines gathered there for battle, pitching
> their camp between Socoh and Azekah; Saul and the Israelites camped
> by the valley of Elah (b`emeq ha-'elah).
> Now Gob (2 Sam 21:19) has been suggested, and Socoh is said to be
> Khirbet 'Abbad.
> Brian Colless, Massey University, NZ
> Nadav Na'aman, In Search of the Ancient Name of Khirbet Qeiyafa
> Khirbet Qeiyafa is located on the north side of the Valley of Elah,
> east of
> Tell Zakariyeh (biblical Azekah) and north of Khirbet Abbad
> (biblical So-
> This article discusses the identity of the recently excavated
> of Khirbet Qeiyafa, a tenth century BCE site located near the Valley
> Elah, in the area where the story of the battle between David and
> Goliath takes place. There is also the story of a battle between
> the Bethlehemite and Goliath of Gath that takes place at Gob (2 Sam
> 21:19). In light of a comparison of the two episodes I suggest
> identifying Khirbet Qeiyafa with biblical Gob. A close reading of the
> four anecdotes related in 2 Sam 21:15-22 clarifies the message of the
> early biblical tradition of four battles fought between Israelite and
> Philistine elite warriors that culminated in the advance of the
> Israelite troops to the gates of Philistine Gath.
- At 02:31 PM 12/2/2008, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>It should have a colophon, no? or at least a date?That would be me, and I use the ad-hoc term (Levant Semitic) for the
>Peter T. Daniels <mailto:grammatim%40verizon.net>grammatim@...
>From: Yitzhak Sapir <<mailto:yitzhaksapir%40gmail.com>yitzhaksapir@...>
>Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 8:53:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Re: Paleo-Hebrew
>On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Which means that (even if the tablet is genuine, and even if the ?Hebrew
> > docket on it is genuine) there's no hope of knowing where it came from.
> > At which "LS" (as you call it)-speaking sites were cuneiform economic
> > documents in use in the NB period? --
> > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@verizon. net
> > I know Laurie Pearce as a specialist in mathematical tablets. Is that
> > irrelevant? Why would a mathematical tablet bear a ?Hebrew docket?
>I don't call anything "LS."
2nd & early 1st mbc when the linguistic situation is somewhat messy.
I'm much less familiar with the evidence from the NB period. My
impression is that by that time all we have is Aramaic & Hebrew, with
a hypothetical Phoenician, assumed to be different from Punic.
Nabatean & Syriac come only later in the 1st mbc. Is that correct? Is
there really no evidence of mid-1st mbc Phoenician? And what is the
current body of evidence and "common wisdom" about Samaritan?
[100% bona fide dilettante ... delecto ergo sum!]
Ariel L. Szczupak
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