Re: A question about stoning
- Trudy Kawami wrote, carrying over a discussion from the Indo-Eurasian
> It is assumed in many quarters that stoning as a form of executionJeffry Gibson responded:
> has been used in the Near East, from "time immemorial." Is there
> any evidence for this outside of Biblical texts?
> Not, so far as I can see, according to the article in "punishment"Actually stoning was a common Greek method of punishment too,
> in the Anchor Bible Dictionary. Stoning seems to be solely an
> "Israelite" practice.
although it isn't clear the Persians used it. If you look at the
following study of punishment methods in "democratic" Athens by
Danielle Allen (Princeton U. Press, 2000) under "stoning", you'll
find references in Homer, Herodotus, Xenophon, various Greek
tragedians, etc. The passages are worth checking out in detail, since
the methods of stoning used were often unique -- and quite ritualized:
See also this classic article from 1907, available from JSTOR:
Arthur Stanley Pease, "Notes on Stoning among the Greeks and Romans",
Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological
Association, Vol. 38, (1907), pp. 5-18
Famous passage on the stoning of Lycidas and his wife and family in
Herodotus 9.5; Lycidas made the mistake of speaking of surrender to
the Persians; the Athenians:
> ...made a ring round Lycidas and stoned him to death. MurychidesNothing on waterboarding, alas, which is a specialty in the
> the Hellespontian, however, they permitted to depart unharmed.
> There was much noise at Salamis over the business of Lycidas; and
> when the Athenian women learned what was afoot, one calling to
> another and bidding her follow, they went on their own own to the
> house of Lycidas and stoned to death his wife and his children.
- This reply is not too late, I hope. There is a reference to stoning
in Sumeria, laws of Uruinimgina, in Samuel Kramer's translation (The
"The women of former days used to take two husbands, the women of
today were stoned with stones."
Other translations vary. The original code no longer exists, so
doubtful the conflict will be resolved.
>It is assumed in many quarters that stoning as a form of execution hasMax
>been used in the Near East, from "time immemorial." Is there any
>evidence for this outside of Biblical texts?
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- There is no reference to stoning in the URU-KA-gina texts. Kramer's
translation is obsolete. Compare D. Frayne's new translation of the
cited passage in Royal Inscriptions of Mesopotamia Early Periods 1
(2008) 273 (E22.214.171.124 iii 20'-24'): "As for women of former times -- a
man (could) take two of them; but for women of today -- indemnity
payments (for debts?) have been removed (and the practice has been
Daniel A Foxvog
Lecturer in Assyriology (retired)
--- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, Max Dashu <maxdashu@...> wrote:
> This reply is not too late, I hope. There is a reference to stoning
> in Sumeria, laws of Uruinimgina, in Samuel Kramer's translation (The
> Sumerians, 1963):
> "The women of former days used to take two husbands, the women of
> today were stoned with stones."
> Other translations vary. The original code no longer exists, so
> doubtful the conflict will be resolved.