Re: David Stacey's observations/inkwells/use of term "sectarian"
- I've looked at the link again -- http://tinyurl.com/2slc2s -- and I
see there are two extended December 31 comments; the discussion of
Joe Zias' views on the "toilets of Qumran" is in the first of the two
comments in question. It's towards the bottom of the page but you
need to scroll up a bit. Hope that helps you find it.
Paul Kessler (New York, NY)
--- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, "silverman_mark" <silverman_mark@...>
> I don't see anything about putative Qumran toilets in the Dec. 31
> comment on the link you've furnished.
> all the best,
> Mark Silverman
> --- In ANEemail@example.com, "kessler_paul" <kessler_paul@> wrote:
> > "All male cemetery," how revealing! When I read such comments,
> > reminded of the famous line from Hamlet, "Out, damn'd spot! out,I
> > say!" In this case, the spot is the remains of women that weredug up
> > in the cemetery at Qumran. And surely Joe is aware that only asmall
> > proportion of the graves were actually opened. So to the extenthe's
> > implying that the cemetery at Qumran is really "all male," onemust
> > wonder how he arrived at this conclusion. Did he go theresecretly
> > one night and open all the graves? Were the buried women actuallythat
> > transvestites or, better yet, transexuals?
> > "One of the few dissidents out there with something to say": one
> > wonders if Joe, who is a former IAA curator, could possibly be
> > implying that an entire series of major archaeologists, including
> > most recently the officially appointed IAA team led by Magen and
> > Peleg, are "dissidents." Coming from scholars, I tend to think
> > such claims usually reveal more about the people making them thanto
> > about the people they refer to.
> > Interestingly, it appears that Joe himself does have "something
> > say." There is a discussion of his views on the "toilets ofQumran"
> > at this link: http://tinyurl.com/2slc2s (towards the bottom ofthe
> > page, December 31st comment).with
> > Paul Kessler (New York, NY)
> > --- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, Joe Zias <joezias@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whereas David Stacy may be one of the few dissidents out there
> > something to say, due to his years of field experience in thedesert,
> > there is a article coming out or out by Emile Puech in thethings
> > Festschrift for f.garcia.martinez, on Qumran which should put
> > to rest. It deals with the ostraca discovered by James Strange.they
> > >
> > > As far as the remarks about Shufat being akin to Qumran, on the
> > basis of some inkwells which are not from the same period, when
> > find an all male cemetery, no children, all of whom died youngwith
> > no signs of violence, buried north-south, then I may walk alongthe
> > road to Damascus for a bit.
- The material culture in ancient Judaism was not group-specific !!!
Herein I have to agree with Zangenberg et al. In so far Joe has an
inspired dream, but that's already all.
Whether or not a KhQ skeleton once belonged to an ancient terrorist
(and that is what is actually behind the idealizing "Essene" legend)
or not, we cannot extract simply from the bones, neither by means of
logic nor with all my heart.
NB to reach primary school, myself had to cross the local WW-I
cemetery first, though this doesn't make me Wilheminic, isn't
Dierk v/d Berg
--- In ANEemail@example.com, Joe Zias <joezias@...> wrote:
> Paul Smith asks the following :
> What do the Qumran cemetery facts
tell us about the origin and the
> provenance of the scrolls?
> The answer is very little but the cemetery tells us an enormous amt
of info about the people living there who were IMHO , Essenes, who
fished ,herded, potted ...and in order to get to three scroll caves
on the plateau one had to cross into their site whether one liked it
> Joe Zias
> Joe Zias www.joezias.com
> Science and Antiquity Group - Jerusalem
> Jerusalem, Israel
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