- I don t see anything about putative Qumran toilets in the Dec. 31 comment on the link you ve furnished. all the best, Mark SilvermanMessage 1 of 42 , Jan 1, 2008View SourceI don't see anything about putative Qumran toilets in the Dec. 31
comment on the link you've furnished.
all the best,
--- In ANEemail@example.com, "kessler_paul" <kessler_paul@...> wrote:
> "All male cemetery," how revealing! When I read such comments, I'm
> reminded of the famous line from Hamlet, "Out, damn'd spot! out, I
> say!" In this case, the spot is the remains of women that were dug up
> in the cemetery at Qumran. And surely Joe is aware that only a small
> proportion of the graves were actually opened. So to the extent he's
> implying that the cemetery at Qumran is really "all male," one must
> wonder how he arrived at this conclusion. Did he go there secretly
> one night and open all the graves? Were the buried women actually
> transvestites or, better yet, transexuals?
> "One of the few dissidents out there with something to say": one
> wonders if Joe, who is a former IAA curator, could possibly be
> implying that an entire series of major archaeologists, including
> most recently the officially appointed IAA team led by Magen and
> Peleg, are "dissidents." Coming from scholars, I tend to think that
> such claims usually reveal more about the people making them than
> about the people they refer to.
> Interestingly, it appears that Joe himself does have "something to
> say." There is a discussion of his views on the "toilets of Qumran"
> at this link: http://tinyurl.com/2slc2s (towards the bottom of the
> page, December 31st comment).
> Paul Kessler (New York, NY)
> --- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, Joe Zias <joezias@> wrote:
> > Whereas David Stacy may be one of the few dissidents out there with
> something to say, due to his years of field experience in the desert,
> there is a article coming out or out by Emile Puech in the
> Festschrift for f.garcia.martinez, on Qumran which should put things
> to rest. It deals with the ostraca discovered by James Strange.
> > As far as the remarks about Shufat being akin to Qumran, on the
> basis of some inkwells which are not from the same period, when they
> find an all male cemetery, no children, all of whom died young with
> no signs of violence, buried north-south, then I may walk along the
> road to Damascus for a bit.
- The material culture in ancient Judaism was not group-specific !!! Herein I have to agree with Zangenberg et al. In so far Joe has an inspired dream, butMessage 42 of 42 , Jan 14, 2008View SourceThe material culture in ancient Judaism was not group-specific !!!
Herein I have to agree with Zangenberg et al. In so far Joe has an
inspired dream, but that's already all.
Whether or not a KhQ skeleton once belonged to an ancient terrorist
(and that is what is actually behind the idealizing "Essene" legend)
or not, we cannot extract simply from the bones, neither by means of
logic nor with all my heart.
NB to reach primary school, myself had to cross the local WW-I
cemetery first, though this doesn't make me Wilheminic, isn't
Dierk v/d Berg
--- In ANEemail@example.com, Joe Zias <joezias@...> wrote:
> Paul Smith asks the following :
> What do the Qumran cemetery facts
tell us about the origin and the
> provenance of the scrolls?
> The answer is very little but the cemetery tells us an enormous amt
of info about the people living there who were IMHO , Essenes, who
fished ,herded, potted ...and in order to get to three scroll caves
on the plateau one had to cross into their site whether one liked it
> Joe Zias
> Joe Zias www.joezias.com
> Science and Antiquity Group - Jerusalem
> Jerusalem, Israel
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