Re: The month of ZYB (KAI 288)
- --- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, "Dean Snyder" <dean.snyder@...> wrote:
>I had in mind orthography when I stated the above,
> torythrp wrote at 10:15 PM on Sunday, November 18, 2007:
> >The only thing ZW and ZYB have in common is Z.
> Actually, these words have more in common than just Z.
> Here is a list of what they have in common.
> 1) At a minimum, they are both names associated with the calendar.
> 2) As usually taken, they are both month names.
> 3) The words occur in cultures that intersect chronologically,
> geographically, and, most importantly, linguistically.
> 4) They both have the same first consonant.
so I do agree with these points. We could add another
similarity to this list since the biblical month name
transcribes a foreign month name presumably from
the same calendar as ZYB, assuming that ZYB is the
name of a month.
> 5) There is the distinct possibility that they have the same number ofI did not consider as a possibility that ZW and ZYB might be
> consonants - Y being a mater lectionis.
> 6) If they do, then not only are their first consonants the same, but
> their final consonants are homorganic, both being bilabials. (There are
> numerous equivalences across bilabials in Semitic cognates. Even within
> Phoenician compare the dual orthographies for the Berber proper name,
> ZBQ and ZYWG, which neatly illustrate in a single set both W/B
> interchange and Y as a mater lectionis.)
dual orthographies within Phoenician.
> 7) If Y is a mater lectionis here, then the Hebrew, Phoenician, and mostAlthough it is possible Greek ZIOU shares the same
> of the Greek reflexes share the same vocalization.
vocalization as the Masoretic, I still think the Greek
LXX and its variants point to a different vocalization,
giving rise to the confusion between ZW and the
Macedonian month name Dios, month II in one
> Assuming all of this, then we have the Z's in common, the I's in common,I admit the similarities are great, but it's precisely because we
> and the W/OU/B's in common (as homorganic consonants). Moreover we find
> just these elements occurring in the exact same sequence, with nothing
> else added.
have to assume so much that the doubt as to a relationship is real.
I did confer with Mark Cohen today and someone's guess
was correct. Dr. Cohen was unaware of the reference
to ZYB in Lidzbarski and he of course could not make any
use of the 5th edition of the first volume of KAI.
> Let me be clear - I am not taking a position here on these words beingTory Thorpe
> cognates; I'm just saying that one must take into account a broader
> linguistic context than just shared Z's.
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