Re: SV: [ANE-2] Gilgamesh
- Ulysses survives as long as he does because he has so much of the trickster in him, I think. He's not really like the traditional epic hero. That he will someday die is not particular to his being a hero, anyway.
A one line synopsis of Gilgamesh could be, IMHO, "Everyone dies, so grow up why don't you." Is his death connected with being a hero or just being human?
Gilgamesh and Ulysses don't really fit the traditional hero mold.
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From: "Niels Peter Lemche" <npl@...>
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- Yes, Gilgamesh dies, but all people do. Griffin seems to think that
Gilgamesh's failure to win immortality leads to his death. Another
way to look at it is that Gilgamesh's failure leads to wisdom. In
that sense Gilgamesh is not a tragedy but a triumph.
I didn't think about it when we were talking about cross cultural
marriages, but in one of the Sumerian compositions, Gilgamesh gives
his sisters in marriage to Huwawa. It didn't work out though. It
wasn't the cultural differences, it was Enkidu's knife.
Missouri State University
--- In ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org, "Niels Peter Lemche" <npl@...> wrote:
> Could it be that the reviewer is under Greek influence, the tragic
end of the heroes? Think of the Homeric tradition, the greatest hero
is killed by the most outspoken anti-hero. Does it has to do with
contemporary sentiments, or is it an imbedded part of heroism?
> I have planned together with Tom Thompson to do a volume about
this, noting the different kinds of heroes around. The tragic hero
is the bow-wow hero like Samson. The anti-hero is the trickster,
> We intend when we get the time necessary to trace the theme
through ANE literature.
> So Gilgamesh has a kind of tragic conclusion: the hero will die in
spite of his heroism. Same to Samson, same to Achilles.
- Niels Peter Lemche wrote March 02:
>Could it be that the reviewer is under Greek influence, the tragic end ofthe heroes? Think of
>the Homeric tradition, the greatest hero is killed by the most outspokenanti-hero. Does it
>s to do with contemporary sentiments, or is it an imbedded part of heroism?the different kinds
> have planned together with Tom Thompson to do a volume about this, noting
>f heroes around. The tragic hero is the bow-wow hero like Samson. Theanti-hero is the
>trickster, like Jakob....>the hero will have to journey again, before at last he is released by a
And don't forget Solon. 'Let no man be called happy who has not died well.'