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  • Patrick Ryan
    ... From: David Lorton To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:04 PM
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 1 4:22 AM
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      From: David Lorton<mailto:davidlorton@...>
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      Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:04 PM
      Subject: Re: Fw: [ANE-2] Re: Urusalim

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      The Ächtungstexte 3ws3mm, Jerusalem, might also have represented to the contemporaneous Egyptian something like /raw(a)$aram(a)m/.


      Patrick C. Ryan
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    • Patrick Ryan
      ... From: Joachim Friedrich Quack To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com Sent:
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 1 7:19 AM
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        From: Joachim Friedrich Quack<mailto:joachim_friedrich.quack@...-heidelberg.de>
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        Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:27 AM
        Subject: Re: Fw: [ANE-2] Re: Urusalim


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        Actually, among specialists it is long known (since Montet and
        Albright), that in the Middle Kingdom writings of the execration texts
        the Egyptian consonant normaly transcribed as 3 (the vulture sign) is
        only used for rendering semitic r and l, never to indicate a vowel.
        Concerning the final m, this is relatively frequent in Egyptian
        renderings of asiatic toponyms of the Middle Kingdom (e.g. skmm for
        Sichem) and seems to reflect a preserved mimation (case vowel plus final
        m for a noun in the status rectus).

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        So, is it being asserted here that Execration Text <mm> phonologically represents a single /m/ or final root <m> plus <m>?
        Patrick C. Ryan
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      • Joachim Friedrich Quack
        ... Obviously the second of your alternatives. Joachim Quack
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 1 7:30 AM
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          Patrick Ryan schrieb:

          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Joachim Friedrich Quack<mailto:joachim_friedrich.quack@...-heidelberg.de>
          > To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:27 AM
          > Subject: Re: Fw: [ANE-2] Re: Urusalim
          >
          >
          > <snip>
          >
          > Actually, among specialists it is long known (since Montet and
          > Albright), that in the Middle Kingdom writings of the execration texts
          > the Egyptian consonant normaly transcribed as 3 (the vulture sign) is
          > only used for rendering semitic r and l, never to indicate a vowel.
          > Concerning the final m, this is relatively frequent in Egyptian
          > renderings of asiatic toponyms of the Middle Kingdom (e.g. skmm for
          > Sichem) and seems to reflect a preserved mimation (case vowel plus final
          > m for a noun in the status rectus).
          >
          > ***
          > So, is it being asserted here that Execration Text <mm> phonologically represents a single /m/ or final root <m> plus <m>?
          > Patrick C. Ryan
          > ***
          >
          >
          Obviously the second of your alternatives.

          Joachim Quack
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