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    Forwarded from the EEF list with the permission of the undersigned. -Chuck Jones- Athens
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 26, 2007
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      Forwarded from the EEF list with the permission of the undersigned.
      -Chuck Jones-
      Athens

      ---- Original message ----
      >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:54:05 EST
      >From: Thomas Schneider <T.Schneider@...>
      >Subject: EEF: Alleged Proto Canaanite spells
      >To: eef@...
      >
      >Dear all,
      >
      >in response to the announcement of the alleged discovery of
      >Proto-Canaanite spells in the Pyramid Texts by Richard Steiner
      >distributed via the EEF and Agade lists (a pdf-file in Ivrit is
      >available at http://hebrew-academy.huji.ac.il/PDF/steiner.pdf ), I think
      >it is imperative to be extremely cautious. As far as I see, the author
      >did not account for the most recent Egyptological treatment of the
      >spells in questions (C. Leitz, Die Schlangenspr├╝che in den
      >Pyramidentexten. Or 65 (1996): 381-427) and not all the lexemes
      >pretended to appear in the spells can be assumed to have existed around
      >2500 BC within a single dialect (e.g. Hw "snake" is Old Aramaic and more
      >recent; with a chronological gap of 1500 years). Most notably, the sound
      >correspondences postulated by the author would in many instances not be
      >possible in the Egyptian transcription systems of the 2nd millennium,
      >and seem to be outright impossible for the 3rd millennium. These
      >IMPOSSIBLE correspondances include:
      >
      >- Eg. <k> for Semitic /q/ (line 5, 8, 12 on p. 3f.) (the correct
      >correspondance would lead to kbb "to burn" instead of qbb "conjure" etc.)
      >- <t> for /Tet/ (line 7)
      >- <t> for /Dalet/ (line 7) (possible from the 2nd mill. onward; around
      >2500 the Eg. Ayin-grapheme still represented the voiced dental)
      >- <T> (t with diacritic stroke) for /t/ or /Tet/ (line 13, 14, 18) (<T>
      >represents a palatalized /k/)
      >- <Ayin> for <Ayin> (line 18) (possible from ca. 2000 BC)
      >- <S> for emphatic sibilants/interdentals (line 18) (never possible)
      >
      >This makes the assumptions put forward by the author highly unlikely.
      >
      >Best regards,
      >
      >Thomas Schneider
      >
      >
      >--
      >Prof. Dr. Thomas Schneider
      >Chair in Egyptology
      >Department of Classics, Ancient History, and Egyptology
      >University of Wales Swansea
      >Singleton Park
      >Swansea SA2 8PP
      >Wales, United Kingdom
      >
      >tel. ++44 1792 513538 (office)
      >++44 1792 202804 (home)
      >email T.Schneider@...
      >
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