Re: SV: SV: SV: [ANE-2] Ancient Nationlism?
- What is all the confusion about tribe, clan and Benjamin? 1 Sam 9:21 is very clear: "Am I not a Benjamite, of the smallest of the tribes of Israel? And my family is the meagerest of all the families of the tribes of Benjamin?" And if that doesn't confuse you, try 1 Sam 10:19: "And now stand before the L--- to your tribes and to your thousands!" "Thousands" is elef and "and to your thousands" ulalfeyhem. It seems that the author meant to say fule "family" in Greek and got the word backward elef. Or it came out so in the Hexapla, which has Hebrew transcribed in Greek letters.
"Ariel L. Szczupak" <ane.als@...> wrote:
At 06:57 PM 12/31/2006, Ariel L. Szczupak wrote:
>[...]do you think that using those terms would add contents,I just thought of a possible example. If I recall correctly in
>understanding to the discourse on those issues?
anthropology "family" implies that inter-marriage is forbidden,
taboo, "clan" (or gens, or sib) implies that inter-marriage is
discouraged and "tribe" implies that inter-marriage is accepted, even
encouraged. But I'm not certain - maybe someone with access to
anthropology textbooks can check it.
In that case calling a group a "clan" or a "tribe" would not be
simply using different labels, or a determination based on vague
perceptions of the size of the group, but would have implications as
to the characteristics of the group.
Just a thought ...
[100% bona fide dilettante ... delecto ergo sum!]
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- That's an interesting point -- where to begin. I've only dipped into this occassionally, since you guys lost me long ago. I'm just an interested observer. Can you give me some names of books to read, etc, to get more up to speed? And, especially, some assistance on teach yourself (since I'll never speak, just read) languages. Thanks!
Where, if much of my knowledge on these subjects comes from BAR, BR (magazines) and books such as "Who Wrote the Bible?" by Friedman, "The Bible as History" By Keller & several courses from the Learning Company (www.teach12.com) with such lecturers as Bart D. Ehrman and Amy-Jill Levine. And a few Bible study classes at church.
nancy in chicago
Nancy L. Jones
Arlington Hts, IL
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to read." Groucho Marx
---------- Original Message-----------
From: Andrew Fincke <finckean@...>
Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:20:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: [ANE-2] Ancient Nationlism?
>Where to begin? With The Israelites in History and Tradition, 1998? orPrelude to Israel's Past, 1998? Or Historical Dictionary, 2003? Or DieVogeschichte, 1996? Please advise.