SV: "nation" Re: SV: [ANE-2] Yahwism and syncretism
- I think Gottwald mixes categories and does not distinguish a theological world of stories and the historical ancient world outside his texts. However, his association of social science information is complex enough to keep one's attention over 1000 pages; so I would refer you to my Early History of 1992, 27-77 or Niels Peter's Early History of 1985 which treats your question quite well.
Thomas L. Thompson
University of Copenhagen
Niels and Thomas:
What is your assessment of Gottwald's elaboration of the social
structure in "The Tribes of Yahweh"? Are his discussions of Shevet,
Mishpahah, Beth-Av, etc. simply the imposition of his 20th century
conceptions of tribe and family on the ancient text or did he
legitimately extrapolate their connotations from their usage in the
ancient texts? This is not a baiting question, I'm trying to
understand your position. Since you both make statements about the
ancient world, you obviously think that truthful observations can be
made about it.
Donald R. Vance, Ph.D.
Professor of Biblical Languages and Literature
Oral Roberts University
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while you are waiting, may I recommend another old thing by me, On the Use of "System Theory," "Macro Theories," and "Evolutionistic Thinking" In Modern Old Testament Research and Biblical Archaeology, which was originally published in SJOT in 1990, and reprinted in Charles E. Carter and Carol L. Meyers, Community, Identity, and Ideology (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns, 1997), pp. 273-286. Much better than fighting a strawman. It is really my "kata" cultural evolutionism.
Just picked up this morning at the post office Karl Popper's The Poverty of Historicism, his attack on historical determinism. Sounds promising.
Niels Peter Lemche
Fra: ANEfirstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:ANEemail@example.com] På vegne af E Bruce Brooks
Sendt: 30. december 2006 10:50
Emne: Re: "nation" Re: SV: [ANE-2] Yahwism and syncretism
In Response To: Thomas Thompson
On: Previous Opinions
THOMAS: In Early Israel, Niels Peter offers a solid critique of the "models"
approach to social anthropology. His position should not be misinterpreted
BRUCE: Oddly enough, I had already taken steps to get a look at this book.
It may turn up in a week or so. Always happy to learn. Meanwhile, I hope I
may be forgiven for being amused at the predictably postmodern turn this
conversation is taking. A is explicating B, and is doing so by referencing a
work of 500 pages written 20 years ago. If things run true to form, we will
soon be hearing about Bayesian statistics, which appeal to the "models"
folks by requiring that, before calculating the answer, you have to commit
yourself to an opinion about what the answer is. You can't just do the
computations and see how they come out.
Such things are of course for the list managers to decide, and I am as
always their most humble and obedient servant, but I should think it
enhances conversation if participants will say what they mean (as of the
current year), and if, failing that, the amount of deep background required
of others to interpret what they say is kept down somewhere below book
Best wishes to all, in the incipient 2007,
E Bruce Brooks
Warring States Project
University of Massachusetts at Amherst
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