Re: [ANE-2] open access dictionaries
- Actually, she lists herself as "J. Payne Smith (Mrs. Margoliouth)." She and he were responsible for the completion of the last fascicle of the Thesaurus.
J. A. H. Murray is not listed as an/the editor of (for instance) the shorter Oxford dictionaries that were created by H. W. Fowler on the basis of the published and not yet published fascicles, manuscripts, and files of the OED. (Same publisher, of course!)
Niether Chiera nor Luckenbill appears on the title page of the CAD in any capacity, even though they were the first directors of the project.
Bibliographers don't always get it right; when we received the CiP data for The World's Writing Systems, we had to petition the Library of Congress Cataloguing Division to correct the LC classification number they'd supplied.
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
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From: Robert M Whiting <whiting@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:23:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ANE-2] open access dictionaries
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Why do you list R. Payne Smith as first author? He had nothing to do
> with it (see Preface); it would be like saying the AHw. is by Meissner
> and von Soden becuase the title page of every fascicle and volume says
> it was "founded upon" a card file compiled by Bruno Meissner (d. 1949).
I think you will find that R. Payne Smith is listed as the main author or
creator by a goodly number of bibliographers, starting with the Library of
I suggest you send your missive to them as they may have more clout in the
bibliographic world than Chuck does.
Additionally, you may not be aware of it, but Thesaurus Syriacus was a
published work while Bruno Meissner's file cards were not. When a
published work, especially a dictionary or encyclopedia, is edited,
revised, abridged, updated, translated, etc., the original author is
usually retained, often with the name of the editor, revisor, etc attached
to it. Forget the Preface; look at the title page. There J. Payne Smith
claims credit as editor, not author. Admittedly, you will see J. Payne
Smith listed as the author in many bibliograpies; they also tend to cite
her as "Smith, J. Payne".
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